Cancellation of Constellation

[Ну-и-ну]

А мне нравится от Палаты предложение. Есть в нём некая простота и изящество.

[avmich]

Никакого скачка ни по процентам выводимой массы ни по стоимости не будет никогда

Ох, Лев, не нравится мне ваша категоричность. Никто не может знать, чего не будет никогда, ни вы, ни я, ни даже Старый с его НННШ  :D Я бы сказал - этого не будет при сегодняшнем понимании физики.

И вчерашнем понимании экономики космической отрасли.

[avmich]

Форум новостей космонавтики переносится в американский парламент. Законодатели начинают вдохновенно конструировать свой вариант ракеты для американского ПТКНП. NASA нервно курит в сторонке.

А то! :)

Уважаемые законодатели настолько озабочены космонавтикой, что вот-вот засучат рукава и сами начнут ракеты строить.

Эх-х...

[Космос-3794]

Комитет по науке и технологиям Палаты Представителей, в четверг, одобрил законопроект о NASA (authorization bill, HR 5781.). Было рассмотрено 30 поправок, из них принято 23. Наиболее значимая - дополнительный полет шаттла.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.r.05781:

[ronatu]

HUNTSVILLE, AL - In session Thursday to approve Elena Kagan as the newest member of the Supreme Court, the U.S. Senate in something of a surprise also approved a NASA authorization bill sponsored by Sens. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., and Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas.

The bill instructs NASA to begin work on a new heavy-lift rocket next year for eventual deep-space exploration to destinations such as Mars. It is meant to be a compromise between the administration of President Obama and supporters of NASA's current rocket program called Constellation.

"Our legislation would push NASA's development of a new heavy-lift rocket forward, with the goal to fly by 2016," Nelson and Hutchison said in a guest column for the Orlando Sentinel this week. "And it would make a significantly higher investment in commercial space ventures, specifically by accelerating development of both commercial cargo and crew carriers."

[ronatu]

SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - The United States Senate approved a bill that could save thousands of Utah jobs.

The Senate unanimously passed the NASA authorizations bill Friday and now awaits House approval.

New language in the bill included a payload requirement for a new heavy-lift space launch system.

[ronatu]

WASHINGTON — In a matter of days, a presidential task force will unveil its plan on how Florida should spend $40 million in federal funds budgeted to help the Space Coast recover from job losses following the 2011 retirement of the space shuttle fleet.

The deadline for that report is Aug. 15, but other good news could be in the cards.

This week, officials with the aerospace giant Boeing announced they were pursuing plans to build an Apollo-like capsule that one day could carry as many as seven astronauts into space.

Boeing aims to hold as many three tests from Cape Canaveral in preparation of eventually launching the vehicle from there, likely aboard a Delta IV or Atlas V rocket.

If that plan comes to fruition, then the Space Coast could retain some of the 9,000 jobs expected to disappear at Kennedy Space Center after the shuttle's last mission. And Florida could be in line for even more jobs if Boeing selects the Sunshine State as host to manufacture and operate this new spacecraft.

That decision could come in a matter of months; Florida will compete with other space industry states like Alabama, Nevada and Texas for the work.

A key customer for this work would be NASA, which needs a US spacecraft to ferry cargo and crew to the International Space Station once the space shuttle finishes its final two or three missions.

Several aerospace companies are pursuing that line of work, as NASA's plans for the post-shuttle era have been in flux for much of the year because of debates between the White House and Congress on future policy.

[PIN]

Вероятность того, что Белый Дом примет-таки вариант Сената (с возвратом к тяжелому носителю и ПК, каковы они были в Constellation) очень велика.

[Bell]

Вероятность того, что Белый Дом примет-таки вариант Сената (с возвратом к тяжелому носителю и ПК, каковы они были в Constellation) очень велика.

А вариант Палаты?

[Agent]

Вероятность того, что Белый Дом примет-таки вариант Сената (с возвратом к тяжелому носителю и ПК, каковы они были в Constellation) очень велика.

А вариант Палаты?

Вариант Сената подготовлен сенаторами которые в теме. Которые очень хорошо понимают что НАСА делает. Хаус от этих дел довольно далек и поэтому более склонен ити на уступки.
Если же он упрется, то не видать результирующего била еще долго. И НАСА будет продолжать строить Арес-1

[Дмитрий В.]

И НАСА будет продолжать строить Арес-1

А деньги на него дадут?

[Чебурашка]

А деньги на него дадут?

Где-то половину от того что было запланировано изначально.

[Павел73]

Хочу Constellation!  

[Agent]

Заговор! :mrgreen:

The question is, though, who's making this attack on HR 5781? The site is professionally done, as is the video; the statements in the various sections are detailed, citing sources ranging from trade publications to NASA and other government documents. Nowhere, though, is there any indication of who developed the site: there is no "about us" section or other contact information. The domain name "reformspacenow.com" is registered privately with a proxy service, providing no information about who obtained the domain name beyond the fact that the name was registered on July 13. The video is hosted on Vimeo, where the user "reformspacenow" joined this month and uploaded the video three days ago. Whoever developed this site clearly wants to remain behind the scenes.
http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/09/08/a-stealthy-anti-hr-5781-web-site/

 :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

[Bell]

А, дык это ж Маск!

[ronatu]

"We can't justify [the performance claims for the Jupiter rocket] based on laws of physics," Richard J. Gilbrech, then NASA associate administrator, told a congressional panel in April 2008.

Then, in a study that NASA released after the Orlando Sentinel published a story about the Jupiter rocket later that year, NASA said it had "determined that the Direct proposal is unlikely to achieve its claims of improved performance, safety and development costs when compared to the Ares I and Ares V approach."

What's changed, according to engineers and NASA officials interviewed for this story, is that with money running out for Constellation at the end of this month and no clear direction from Congress and the White House, the agency is desperately looking at ways it can launch astronauts into space quickly and affordably after the space shuttle is retired next year.

Direct's supporters always claimed that the Jupiter rocket was the most "direct" and cost-effective way to get humans into space because it made maximum use of existing space shuttle technology and the shuttle workforce.

"It turns out Direct was right," said one NASA engineer working on the project but not authorized to speak publicly.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/os-nasa-redesigns-shuttle-20100912,0,7720708.story

[ronatu]

It is a victory in the sense that Congress is finally aligning behind a common-sense approach...[/size]

[Agent]

Хаус выкатил компромисный проект бюджета.
Теперь он более похож на сенатский чем на предыдущий.
В принципе, еще остаются шансы, что НАСА будет с бюджетом в следущем году.
Арес-1, походу, окончательно помер. На ЛЕО будут летать на коммерческих.

http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/09/23/house-releases-compromise-nasa-authorization-bill/

House releases compromise NASA authorization bill
September 23, 2010 at 12:24 pm · Filed under Congress, NASA

The House Science and Technology Committee announced Thursday morning the release of "compromise legislative language" for a NASA authorization bill, presumably (although not explicitly stated) after negotiations with the Senate [I've since been told, second-hand, that this compromise bill was drafted just by the House, and is not necessarily endorsed by the Senate]. The full text of the bill is available, as well as a summary comparing the new version with the one passed by the committee in July. Some highlights:

The new bill calls for the development of a "Space Launch System" similar to what the Senate proposed, although without the lower minimum launch capacity (as little as 70 tons) in the Senate bill. Instead, this calls for a "scalable capability of lifting payloads of at least 130 metric tons" into LEO, although scalable from what, and by when, isn't stated; the bill requires at least the capability of servicing the ISS by the end of 2016.
The compromise bill includes $1.19 billion for exploration technology development as part of an overall $2.67 billion for space technology over the three years of the bill; the earlier version had only $5 million for exploration technology development, in exploration versus space technology.
The compromise bill includes $1.212 billion for commercial crew development over three years ($412 million in 2011 and $400 million each in 2012 and 2013), far more than the earlier bill ($150 million a year) but still short of the administration's original request. As expected, the loan guarantee language in the original bill is gone in this one; instead, the funds "shall be allocated at the discretion of the Administrator" to those efforts deemed the highest priority towards the goal of supporting continued utilization of the ISS.
The compromise bill includes $150 million over three years for exploration robotic precursor missions, while the original bill provided only $5 million.
The bill also includes language formally authorizing the flight of the "launch-on-need" shuttle mission (STS-135) no earlier than June 1, 2011, unless "the Administrator determines that the level of risk of flying such mission is unacceptable."

[pkl]

...Арес-1, походу, окончательно помер..."

А с "пятёркой" что?

[Чебурашка]

Пятёрка скукоживается до 130 тонн