Dragon Crew v.2.0

[Сергио]

SFN пишет:

Sam Grey пишет:
Ваши действия?

Вопрос как деньги экономить. Есть варианты.
1)Дать все деньги Боингу, как проверенному поставщику пилотируемой техники.

2)А еще дешевле покупать места у русских.  

2) дешевле, но не правильно. денег не быть в америке не может. у них есть ФРС.

[Сергио]

Если Дракон Два полетит, не будет аварий - можно списывать Союз. Один бы уже списали, в 91м.
Кстати - теперь Маск может подарить батут Рогозину.

По аналогии с фото, где Гагарин держит в трубе что то шаттлоподобное - ожидаем появление публикаций инженеров-пенсионеров со словами "а у нас Заря была, Устинов не дал делать. И кто то сказал что при посадке космонавты даже $%^&дец сказать не успеют и нам зарубили проект."

[Петр Зайцев]

Про Тапок забыл или просто не веруешь? Кстати заметь как перестраховщики из NASA сыграли роль ЦНИИМАШ-а и велели на Драгоне делать посадку под парашютами. Теперь Драгон в точности копирует Тапок. Правда разработка Тапка идет медленнее и Драгон скорее всего полетит первым. Но это пожалуй один из немногих случаев когда Маск скопировал что-то у русских (не от хорошей жизни, конечно, но...).

[Дмитрий Инфан]

Петр Зайцев пишет:
Правда разработка Тапка идет медленнее и Драгон скорее всего полетит первым.

Наши грозятся запустить ПТК в 2018 году с Восточного.

[Alex_II]

Дмитрий Инфан пишет: 

Наши грозятся запустить ПТК в 2018 году с Восточного.

Ага - Рогозин... Правда при этом люди, отвечающие за готовность ПТК - обещают её в 2021-24м...
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum10/topic2964/message1288016/#message1288016

[Александр Ч.]

Значит запустят батут ;-)

[Alex_II]

Александр Ч. пишет:
Значит запустят батут ;-)

Может лучше Рогозина? Его 200кг можно Ангарой и до Плутона забросить...

[Зловредный]

Запутали совсем с этим батутом... Батут -- это средство выведения? Или полезная нагрузка?

[Александр Ч.]

Это зависти от точки зрения.

[Зловредный]

Лучше избегать точки зрения, которая вызывает зависть

[Александр Ч.]

Благослови бог придумавших Т9 
Речь шла о зависимости, а не зависти ;-) 

[Bizonich]

Зловредный пишет:
Запутали совсем с этим батутом... Батут -- это средство выведения? Или полезная нагрузка?

КПД батута я не знаю, но если создать батут с КПД 99%, то Рогозин убъется о батут, либо Росскосмос разработал новую технологию, типа антаграва, которая позволит запулит космонавта на НОО без ракеты.

[Искандер]

Петр Зайцев пишет:
Про Тапок забыл или просто не веруешь? Кстати заметь как перестраховщики из NASA сыграли роль ЦНИИМАШ-а и велели на Драгоне делать посадку под парашютами. Теперь Драгон в точности копирует Тапок. Правда разработка Тапка идет медленнее и Драгон скорее всего полетит первым. Но это пожалуй один из немногих случаев когда Маск скопировал что-то у русских (не от хорошей жизни, конечно, но...).

Да в чём же он копирует?     
В схеме посадки? Так это скорее временно-вынужденное решение, пока не обкатают реактивную посадку на Стрекозе (DragonFly) - нагнули время и заказчик. Я вообще не удивлюсь, если DragonFly будет по сути тестовый образец после двух испытании САС - Маск рачителен.
Кроме того, Dragon - это капсула с интегрированным "ПАО" и "САС", в перспективе многоразовый корабль с реактивной посадкой с "вертолетной" точностью, а Тапок рисуют по классической схеме, где окончательная посадка на "ножки" выглядит недоразумением.
Ну, а в Тапок я тоже не верую, как и в российский супертяж, но это не важно.

[Искандер]

Зловредный пишет:
Запутали совсем с этим батутом... Батут -- это средство выведения? Или полезная нагрузка?

Вы бы у Рогозина спросили. А ли Вы толкователей «Плодов раздумья» сего функционера ищете? 

[che wi]

James Dean ‏@flatoday_jdean  7 minutes ago

SpaceX says it is targeting first commercial crew flight in early 2017.

[che wi]

James Dean ‏@flatoday_jdean  4 minutes ago

NASA's Lueders indicates program expects average commercial crew seat cost of $58 million, vs $70+ for Soyuz.

[che wi]

SpaceFlight Insider ‏@SpaceflightIns  1 minute ago

#Dragon is designed to hold 7 crew members, but with the @Commercial_Crew cargo requirements, will hold 5.

[Salo]

Александр Ч. пишет:
Зато теперь фанаты в восторге: про Маска мульт сняли, пусть это и очередная серия в Симпсонах :-D

И раз уж тут хотят спросить Маска о пилотируемом Драконе ;-)
После очередной волны слухов, что русские на МКС не нужны:
 http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/01/27/boeing-spacex-on-track-for-commercial-crew-flights-to-station-in-2017/

SpaceX already flies to the space station under a $1.6 billion contract with NASA for a dozen uncrewed cargo flights using the company's Dragon capsule and Falcon 9 rockets.

The crewed version of the spacecraft will be able to carry up to seven astronauts — typically four for station missions — and features futuristic pull-down flat-screen displays, a powerful escape rocket system and sophisticated computer control. As with the automated cargo ships, the crew capsules will be launched atop Falcon 9 boosters.

Shotwell said SpaceX is gearing up for a pad abort test in the next month or so when a Dragon spacecraft will be shot off the launch pad using its escape rockets to demonstrate the ability to pull a crew away fr om a catastrophic low-altitude booster malfunction. A second abort test will be carried out later this year to demonstrate escape during the most aerodynamically stressful regions of powered flight.

"The Integrated launch abort system is critically important to us, we think it gives incredible safety features for a full abort all the way through ascent," Shotwell said. SpaceX founder and chief designer Elon Musk hopes to eventually use the abort system for rocket-powered landings at the end of a mission, but initial flights will splash down in the ocean much like Dragon cargo missions.

While SpaceX is a relative newcomer to the rocket industry, Shotwell said the company will have launched more than 50 Falcon 9 rockets by the time astronauts strap into a Dragon V2 for the first piloted test flight. She said SpaceX will install a simulator at the Johnson Space Center for crew training, but likely will monitor ascent, rendezvous and re-entry from the company's Hawthorne, Calif., rocket plant wh ere Dragon supply flights are managed.

"We anticipate doing our uncrewed mission to the International Space Station on this upgraded crew vehicle later in '16, shortly followed thereafter with our crewed flight in early 2017, as shortly as we can make it and still maintain reliability and safety," she said. "We certainly understand the incredible responsibility we've been given to build the systems necessary and capable of flying crew."

[Salo]

http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/01/27/boeing-spacex-on-track-for-commercial-crew-flights-to-station-in-2017/

Boeing, SpaceX on track for commercial crew flights to station in 2017       
Posted on January 27, 2015 by William Harwood

STORY WRITTEN FOR CBS NEWS "SPACE PLACE" & USED WITH PERMISSION

File photo of the International Space Station as seen by a space shuttle crew in 2010. Credit: NASA
 
NASA expects to spend some $5 billion underwriting development of commercial spacecraft built by Boeing and SpaceX to carry astronauts to and fr om the International Space Station, officials said Monday, ending sole reliance on the Russians for crew ferry flights and eventually lowering the average cost per seat to around $58 million.
Gwynne Shotwell, president and chief operating officer of Space Exploration Technologies, or SpaceX, said her company's upgraded Dragon V2 ferry craft should be ready for an initial unpiloted flight to the space station in late 2016 with the first crewed flight, likely carrying a SpaceX test pilot and a NASA astronaut, in early 2017.
John Elbon, vice president and general manager of Boeing Space Exploration, said his company's CST-100 spacecraft is expected to be ready for an uncrewed test flight in April 2017, followed by a crewed flight, with a Boeing pilot and a NASA astronaut, in the July 2017 timeframe.
Both companies must complete the crewed and uncrewed test flights before NASA certification, which will pave the way for the start of operational crew rotation and cargo delivery flights to the International Space Station later in 2017. Until then, NASA will continue to rely on Russia's Soyuz spacecraft to carry U.S. and partner crew members to and from the lab complex.
"Commercial crew is incredibly important to the space station, it's important to reduce the cost of transportation to low-Earth orbit so that NASA has within its budget the capability to develop means to explore beyond low-Earth orbit," Elbon said during a news conference at the Johnson Space Center in Houston. "And importantly, I think, it's beginning a whole new industry. ... We're making great progress on the program."
Said Shotwell: "Our crew Dragon leverages the cargo capability that we've been flying successfully to the International Space Station. However, we understand, and we've been told, that crew is clearly different. So there are a number of upgrades that we've been working for the past few years to assure that this crew version of Dragon is as reliable as it can possibly be. Ultimately, we plan for it to be the most reliable spaceship flying crew ever."

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In the wake of the space shuttle's retirement, NASA started a competition to build a commercial crewed spacecraft, with the first in a series of contracts intended to encourage innovative designs for reliable, affordable transportation to and from low-Earth orbit.
Last September, NASA announced that Boeing had won a $4.2 billion Commercial Crew Transportation Capability (CCtCAP) contract to continue development of the company's CST-100 capsule while SpaceX would receive $2.6 billion to press ahead with work to perfect its futuristic Dragon crew craft.
A third competitor, Sierra Nevada, was left out, and the company filed a protest with the General Accountability Office, arguing its Dream Chaser spaceplane was unfairly passed over. But the GAO ruled earlier this month that NASA's selection of Boeing and SpaceX was justified, clearing the space agency to proceed with the CCtCAP contracts.
SpaceX and Boeing hold contracts covering two test flights and two operational missions per company with options for additional operational missions between them.

Artist's concept of Boeing's CST-100 crew capsule separating from the Centaur upper stage of the Atlas 5 launcher. Credit: Boeing
 
Boeing's CST-100 spacecraft is a state-of-the-art, reusable capsule incorporating weld-less fabrication, flight proven navigation software, powerful "pusher" escape rockets to propel the capsule away from a malfunctioning booster and a parachute-and-airbag landing system.
For NASA flights, the spacecraft will be used to carry four astronauts at a time to the space station, along with critical cargo. It will be launched atop a United Launch Alliance Atlas 5 rocket, one of the most reliable boosters in the U.S. inventory.
Elbon said construction has started on a launch pad crew access tower and work platforms needed to service CST-100s in a former shuttle processing hangar. A simulator will be installed at the Johnson Space Center in the same building that once housed shuttle flight simulators and Boeing is working out procedures to use NASA's mission control center for ascent, rendezvous and re-entry.
"The flight software will be delivered later this summer, we'll have the simulator running with the flight software and flight computers and 26 of the 34 flight displays," Elbon said. "So there will be a real opportunity for the crew to interface with that software and understand how the vehicle's going to operate."
Boeing plans a launch pad abort test in February 2017 "where we'll fully check out the abort system" before staging the first unpiloted test flight to the space station the following April. Elbon said Boeing should be ready for the first crewed test flight in July 2017. Assuming the test flights go well and NASA certifies the CST-100, Boeing expects to be ready for its first operational mission in December 2017.
SpaceX already flies to the space station under a $1.6 billion contract with NASA for a dozen uncrewed cargo flights using the company's Dragon capsule and Falcon 9 rockets.
The crewed version of the spacecraft will be able to carry up to seven astronauts — typically four for station missions — and features futuristic pull-down flat-screen displays, a powerful escape rocket system and sophisticated computer control. As with the automated cargo ships, the crew capsules will be launched atop Falcon 9 boosters.
Shotwell said SpaceX is gearing up for a pad abort test in the next month or so when a Dragon spacecraft will be shot off the launch pad using its escape rockets to demonstrate the ability to pull a crew away from a catastrophic low-altitude booster malfunction. A second abort test will be carried out later this year to demonstrate escape during the most aerodynamically stressful regions of powered flight.

Artist's concept of the Crew Dragon spacecraft. Credit: SpaceX
 
"The Integrated launch abort system is critically important to us, we think it gives incredible safety features for a full abort all the way through ascent," Shotwell said. SpaceX founder and chief designer Elon Musk hopes to eventually use the abort system for rocket-powered landings at the end of a mission, but initial flights will splash down in the ocean much like Dragon cargo missions.
While SpaceX is a relative newcomer to the rocket industry, Shotwell said the company will have launched more than 50 Falcon 9 rockets by the time astronauts strap into a Dragon V2 for the first piloted test flight. She said SpaceX will install a simulator at the Johnson Space Center for crew training, but likely will monitor ascent, rendezvous and re-entry from the company's Hawthorne, Calif., rocket plant wh ere Dragon supply flights are managed.
"We anticipate doing our uncrewed mission to the International Space Station on this upgraded crew vehicle later in '16, shortly followed thereafter with our crewed flight in early 2017, as shortly as we can make it and still maintain reliability and safety," she said. "We certainly understand the incredible responsibility we've been given to build the systems necessary and capable of flying crew."
Along with ferrying astronauts to and from the space station, the Boeing and SpaceX capsules also will be able to serve as lifeboats for station crew members, remaining attached to the station for more than 200 days at a stretch to give U.S. and partner astronauts a way home in an emergency.
The new spacecraft will be the first American vehicles to carry astronauts on NASA-sanctioned flights since the space shuttle's last mission in 2011 and the first built under more commercially structured contracts intended to lower costs.
The CST-100 and upgraded Dragon also will end America's reliance on Russian Soyuz spacecraft for access to the International Space Station. Under NASA's latest contract with Roscosmos, the Russian federal space agency, U.S. seats cost around $70 million each. Kathy Lueders, manager of NASA's commercial crew program, said the agency eventually will save, on average, more than $10 million a seat using U.S. spacecraft.
"Overall, when we go through the whole development activity ... we'll have invested about $5 billion," she said. "In addition, when you look at pricing for the missions across the five years we have pricing for, we're able to get an average seat cost of about $58 million per seat."
But NASA's use of Soyuz spacecraft will not end with the advent of U.S. space taxis.
Mike Suffredini, manager of the space station program at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, said in a Jan. 15 interview with CBS News that NASA still plans to use one seat per Soyuz for the duration of the station program. The Russians, likewise, will be able to launch a cosmonaut on each U.S.-sponsored flight.
Assuming both parties ultimately agree, "the Russians will fly twice a year, or whatever rate they need to do their job, and we will have a crew member on each of their flights," Suffredini said. "We will fly ours at whatever rate we think we need to do our job and they will put a single crew member on it."
During the news conference Monday, NASA Administrator Charlie Bolden said "I don't ever want to have to write another check to (the Russian federal space agency) Roscosmos after 2017, hopefully. That's why I'm looking to John and Gwynne to deliver. You've heard both of them say they think they'll be flying by 2017. If we can make that date, I'm a happy camper."
But NASA has to be prepared for contingencies and the commercial crew schedule is optimistic. Space station planners do not yet know for sure when a commercial ferry craft will begin operational missions and orders for Soyuz seats must be placed three years in advance.
"So I'm about to tell (Roscosmos) whether I want seats in 2018 right now, and we don't have any more insights (into commercial crew progress) really than the proposals," Suffredini said. "So we've got to go get some seats."
Longer term, he said NASA plans to continue flying on Soyuz after Boeing and SpaceX begin operational missions, but under a barter arrangement of some sort.
"We're assuming two Russian seats a year and we're assuming two Russians will fly in our seats per year," Suffredini said. "And it'll just be a quid pro quo, we won't ask for compensation."

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[Salo]

http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/01/27/spacex-confirms-first-crew-dragon-flights-will-return-to-ocean-landings/

SpaceX confirms first Crew Dragon flights will return to ocean landings       
Posted on January 27, 2015 by Stephen Clark

File photo of SpaceX's Dragon cargo capsule descending under its three main parachutes. Credit: SpaceX
 
The human-rated Crew Dragon spacecraft being developed by SpaceX will return to Earth under parachutes for splashdowns in the ocean, and not execute helicopter-like propulsive touchdowns on land, a SpaceX official confirmed Monday.
SpaceX unveiled the Crew Dragon spaceship — also called the Dragon V2 — in a glitzy event held at the company's Southern California headquarters in May 2014.
Elon Musk, SpaceX's founder and chief executive, said the capsule would be outfitted with powerful new SuperDraco thrusters that double as a launch escape system and braking rockets for landing.
Although the spacecraft is still designed for eventual propulsive landings, its initial flights with astronauts will come back to Earth much like the cargo-carrying version of SpaceX's Dragon capsule, which splashes down in the Pacific Ocean a few hundred miles west of Baja California.
"The integrated launch abort system is critically important to us," said Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX's president and chief operating officer. "We think it gives incredible safety features for a full abort all the way through ascent. It does also allow us the ultimate goal of fully propulsive landing.
"We won't be certifying the propulsive landing initially," Shotwell said. "We will be certifying the water landing with parachutes, but that vehicle will be prepared for a fully propulsive landing, which I believe is in the best interests of the astronauts."
Garrett Reisman, who leads SpaceX's crew operations program, said in August that the Crew Dragon spacecraft will touch down on land and slow its descent with the help of parachutes and braking rockets, similar to the landings of Russia's Soyuz capsule.
Speaking at a press conference at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston on Monday, Shotwell revealed the Crew Dragon will instead splash down at sea.
Eyeing a transition to rocket-assisted touchdowns, SpaceX plans to practice pinpoint Dragon landings at the company's test site in Central Texas with a prototype test capsule, similar to the way engineers wrung out the design of the Falcon 9 booster's vertical landing capability.

SpaceX won a contract worth up to $2.6 billion to complete development of the Crew Dragon spacecraft and fly up to six missions rotating crews on the space station. For NASA's purposes, the Dragon will likely fly with four astronauts and supplies on each flight.
The Crew Dragon has a different outer shape than the capsule's cargo configuration, and it carries an upgraded heat shield and extra backup systems required for human passengers.
Later Dragon missions could still exploit a capability that SpaceX says will eventually allow the capsule to descend to a landing pad almost anywhere in the world.
NASA awarded another contract to Boeing to finish work on its CST-100 space capsule, which will return crews to an airbag-cushioned landing at White Sands, N.M.
SpaceX is targeting the first crewed Dragon flight for launch on a Falcon 9 rocket from Kennedy Space Center's launch pad 39A in early 2017. Boeing says the first CST-100 flight with astronauts is set for July 2017 aboard a United Launch Alliance Atlas 5 rocket from Cape Canaveral's Complex 41 launch pad.
The commercial capsules will end NASA's sole reliance on Russia to fly astronauts to the space station.

Follow Stephen Clark on Twitter: @StephenClark1.