Китайская космическая станция

[ronatu]

China's space program also seems to have all the funding and resources it needs, partially due to the fact that seven of China's nine most senior leaders - the Standing Committee of the Chinese Communist Party Politburo - are themselves engineers.

China may already be the second-largest manufacturing power on Earth and possesses a highly advanced industrial infrastructure. It now has more than $2.3 trillion in excess foreign exchange holdings - adding another $300 billion just in the past nine months, equal the entire gross product of Argentina.

And China's top universities are rolling in research money, possess the latest laboratory equipment, and have their pick of the most brilliant students.

In 2005, China produced 351,537 engineers, with at least a bachelor's degree, nearly double the United States figure of 137,437; and a healthy chunk of China top engineers get their doctoral training at American universities.

For example, of the 99 doctorates in engineering awarded by the University of Virginia from August 2007 to August 2008, one third - 33 - went to scholars from Chinese universities.

To be sure, China's imaginative and capable aerospace engineers have devised quite workable spacefaring designs, and their access to Russia's space science has helped accelerate their progress. And what the Chinese can't buy from the Russians, or learn at America's top universities, they can still pilfer from U.S. industry.

[Salo]

http://china-defense.blogspot.com/2010/03/china-to-launch-space-station-module.html

Wednesday, March 03, 2010
China to Launch Space Station Module
 
March 3, 2010
China to Launch Space Station Module
By MARK McDONALD

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/world/asia/04space.html

HONG KONG — The Heavenly Palace, the first module in China's permanent space station, will be launched next year, a senior aerospace official confirmed Wednesday.

The official, Qi Faren, said the craft, an orbiting laboratory known in Mandarin as Tiangong-1, would initially serve as a docking station for other spacecraft. His remarks were carried by Xinhua, the official news agency.

A model of Tiangong-1 was publicly unveiled during New Year celebrations last year. The 8.5-ton laboratory is expected to be 30 feet long, with a crew of three taikonauts, the Chinese term for astronauts.

The China National Space Administration said it plans three docking missions with the lab next year.

The space agency's long-range plans include a 20-ton permanent space station that will incorporate Tiangong-1, as well as a separate lunar mission by 2022.

China successfully launched its first satellite in April 1970, a craft called Dong Fang Hong-1, or The East Is Red, which was sent into orbit by a Long March-1 rocket. China's first manned spacecraft went aloft in October 2003 and made 14 orbits of the Earth. The country's first spacewalk took place 18 months ago.

Aerospace experts and military officials say the Chinese military space program has made major advancements in recent years, notably when it tested an antisatellite system in 2007, using a ballistic missile to shoot down one of its own weather satellites 540 miles up.

Charles P. Vick, a senior analyst at GlobalSecurity.org, said in a white paper that China's "space station programs have clearly won out in government planning priorities over the lunar aspirations."

China has long insisted that its intentions in space are peaceful, although the head of the Chinese Air Force, Gen. Xu Qiliang, appeared to have gone somewhat off-message when he said in November that international "military competition has shifted towards space."

"Such a shift is a major trend now, and such expansion is a historical inevitability," he said, in remarks quoted by state-run media. "To some extent, if you control space you can also control the land and the sea, and you will be in an advantageous position."

Meanwhile, American military planners have expressed concerns and uncertainty about China's intentions.

"Where they're heading I think is one of those things that a lot of people would like to understand better, what their goals and objectives are," said Gen. Kevin P. Chilton, the head of United States Strategic Command, following General Xu's remarks. "But they certainly are on a fast track to improve their capabilities.

"Clearly, I think what we've all come to understand is that space is a contested domain. It used to be looked at like a sanctuary. And clearly that's not the case today."

[m-s Gelezniak]

Ученики превзошли учителя...

Угу. Особенно вот с этим:

Двухжильный китаец.

[Dave Bowman]

03 марта 2010 | 19:45
Китай по техническим причинам перенес выполнение следующего этапа своей амбициозной космической программы на 2011 год.

полный текст тут:http://podrobnosti.ua/technologies/2010/03/03/669806.html

[ksm15]

Я вот тут подумал, если у Китайцев с «Миром» не получилось, может с «Шатлом» получится? Как там после закрытия программы «Шатал» насчет китайского спонсорства?

[Bell]

Исходное сообщение тут: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/100303/world/china_space_station_1

Wed Mar 3, 6:51 AM

BEIJING (AFP) - China has postponed the next step in its ambitious space station programme until 2011 for technical reasons, state media said Wednesday.
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China had originally planned to place the Tiangong-1 space module in orbit late this year and undertake experimental docking manoeuvres in subsequent missions, Xinhua news agency cited rocket designer Qi Faren as saying.

But the initial launch has now been delayed by a year due to "technical reasons", Qi said, without elaborating.

Qi was speaking to the media on the sidelines of a meeting of a legislative advisory body, which convened on Wednesday, two days before the start of the annual session of China's rubber-stamp parliament.

China became the third nation to put a man in space when Yang Liwei piloted the one-man Shenzhou-5 space mission in 2003.

In September 2008, the Shenzhou-7, piloted by three "taikonauts" or astronauts, carried out China's first space walk.

The Tiangong-1, or "Heavenly Palace," is seen as the building block of China's maiden space station.

Weighing about 8.5 tonnes, it would provide a "safe room" for Chinese astronauts to live in and conduct research in zero gravity.

After being placed in orbit, the Tiangong-1 would dock with the unmanned Shenzhou-8 spacecraft in the country's first space docking -- a feat to be controlled remotely by scientists on the ground.

Qi said Shenzhou-9 and Shenzhou-10, carrying two to three astronauts, would also dock with the orbiting module in successive years.

He said other key technologies being worked on in the space station programme include the replenishment of propellant, air, water and food for the space module as well as a life support system.

The International Space Station began with the launch into orbit of the first station element, a Russian-built module, in 1998. The first full-time crew arrived two years later.

Как видно, в сообщении ничего нет про "системы жизнеобеспечения и пополнения топлива", это Компьюлента додумала.

[ronatu]

A few comments:

....The Heavenly Palace, the first module in China's permanent space station, will be launched next year, a senior aerospace official confirmed Wednesday. ....

...The 8.5-ton laboratory is expected to be 30 feet long, with a crew of three taikonauts, the Chinese term for astronauts. ...

...Charles P. Vick, a senior analyst at GlobalSecurity.org, said in a white paper that China's "space station programs have clearly won out in government planning priorities over the lunar aspirations."....

....the head of the Chinese Air Force, Gen. Xu Qiliang, appeared to have gone somewhat off-message when he said in November that international "military competition has shifted towards space." ....

[Liss]

Исходное сообщение здесь  http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2010-03/03/c_13195325.htm --
и про дозаправку там есть.

[dj-chis]

надо китайцам технологию бурана и энергии продать.хоть часть затраченных денег вернуть и на пткнп и русь-м их потом отдать. всё польза будет. так мне кажется. :wink:

[Дмитрий В.]

надо китайцам технологию бурана и энергии продать.хоть часть затраченных денег вернуть и на пткнп и русь-м их потом отдать. всё польза будет. так мне кажется. :wink:

А оно Китаю надо? :roll:

[dj-chis]

нам денег не хватает. а надо им или нет пусть покупают и точка . :lol:

[ksm15]

нам денег не хватает. а надо им или нет пусть покупают и точка .  

Денег у нас как у дурака махорки. Не хватает желание или понимания у верхов.

[Большой]

Верхами не хотят и низами не могут

[ksm15]

Верхами не хотят и низами не могут

Насчет низов вы явно погорячились. А насчет верхов «Рождённый ползать, летать не может»!

[ksm15]

К сожалению, на собственной шкуре испытал нашу систему, крылья подрезали по взрослому, сейчас занимаюсь бизнесом, пришлось уйти из КБ. Пока динозавры пост  Советской системы находятся у власти, у нас на выходе всегда будет получаться паровоз. Ставку надо делать на молодежь. Но, к сожалению, система порождает себе подобны

[frigate]

Two Crews For Tiangong
by Morris Jones
Sydney, Australia (SPX) Mar 05, 2010

We've recently had another short "up periscope" moment in monitoring China's human spaceflight program. This latest scan, produced from some Chinese media statements, suggests that the Tiangong space laboratory will be launched in 2011, and three Shenzhou missions will be sent to it in the future.

The launch of Tiangong next year is a disappointment to those who were hoping for some action in 2010, but it's not surprising. China had always specified a broad timeframe for the launch. Tiangong is a new spacecraft, and the first vehicle is also expected to support a crew. China would want to make sure that it was fully debugged.

In addition to supporting a crew, Tiangong must also demonstrate rendezvous and docking, which has never been performed before by any Chinese spacecraft. China stated that technical issues had prompted the delay in the launch, and this is entirely believable.

We can still expect Shenzhou 8 to launch to Tiangong 1 in an unmanned mission to test rendezvous and docking. This mission will carry experiments on board, just like the early unmanned Shenzhou test flights. Some of these experiments are international, with Europe being well-represented.

The revelation that there will be three missions launched to Tiangong is interesting. It suggests two more flights to after Shenzhou 8, and we can assume that both of them will be manned.

Two crews will live aboard Tiangong 1. The first will be on Shenzhou 9, and has previously been expected to consist of three astronauts, if earlier statements are correct. It was assumed that Shenzhou 10 would also fly three astronauts, but now that's not entirely clear.

Statements from Qi Faren, a "rocket designer" who is regularly quoted in the Chinese media, have suggested "two or three" astronauts for these missions. Will China experiment with different crew numbers on different missions? Has the crew complement for Shenzhou 9 been reduced to two?

Speculation on these matters can always march ahead of known facts, but it's worth considering why this could be done. Tiangong is a small vehicle, not much larger than a Shenzhou spacecraft itself. It carries little internal volume, which means crew accommodations would be somewhat cramped. A larger concern is the impact on logistics.

Tiangong cannot carry large amounts of food and other consumables. There is also no prospect for cargo spacecraft to replenish Tiangong. Any new consumables carried to the laboratory will need to be stored aboard the Shenzhou spacecraft that visit them.

Two crews of two astronauts staying for periods of roughly two weeks could be manageable, but this would still stretch the resources of the Shenzhou-Tiangong missions.

A third crew member on one or both missions could complicate living arrangements, including the use of food and hygiene facilities. It would also cause the consumables to be depleted at a much higher rate.

Some of the resources on board Tiangong, such as water, are expected to be partially recycled. This could be sustainable for a two-person crew, but it's possible that the on-board systems would have trouble dealing with the waste products of three people.

Holding the crews back to two astronauts would not only reduce the demands on resources. It would permit longer stays at the laboratory, which could influence the usefulness of certain experiments and tasks.

We will probably need to wait months before we know anything for sure. Even the timing of the launches is unspecified and unclear. The New York Times published a story on March 3, claiming that the "China National Space Administration said it planned three docking missions with the lab next year", insinuating all these flights would take place in 2011.

This claim is not in synchrony with other media sources. China Central Television published a story on its Web site on the same day, claiming that Tiangong will "dock with three Shenzhou ships to be put into space within two years." Agence-France Presse quoted Qi as saying that Shenzhou 9 and 10 would dock "in successive years." Who knows what will really happen?

Dr Morris Jones is the author of The New Moon Race, available from Rosenberg Publishing (www.rosenbergpub.com.au).

[Дядя Бэн]

Китайцам до обитаемой орбитальной станции как от Москвы до Пекина раком  :!:

[Salo]

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1003/05china/index.html

China maintains hectic pace for more space program firsts
BY STEPHEN CLARK
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
Posted: March 5, 2010

The leaders of China's human spaceflight endeavors say 2011 is shaping up to be the most ambitious year in the history of the country's space program.


A model of the Tiangong space laboratory.

China plans to launch the cornerstone of a new orbiting space laboratory some time in 2011. Weighing nearly 19,000 pounds, the Tiangong 1 module will be launched into orbit unmanned aboard a Long March 2F rocket from the Jiuquan space center in the Gobi desert, according to the state-run Xinhua news agency.

Xinhua reported Qi Faren, the former chief designer of the piloted Shenzhou spacecraft, outlined China's human spaceflight plans Wednesday at a meeting of a Chinese political advisory committee.

Tiangong means Heavenly Palace in English.

Beginning as early as late 2011, China will launch three Shenzhou spacecraft to rendezvous and dock with Tiangong 1 in orbit. The first mission, named Shenzhou 8, will launch unmanned and approach the module in China's first orbital docking attempt.

Within two years of Tiangong 1's launch, two more Shenzhou ships will fly to the fledgling space station with Chinese astronauts aboard. The crewed flights will contain two or three astronauts each for temporary visits, according to Xinhua.

Chinese astronauts would conduct scientific experiments aboard the complex, according to Xinhua.

Military observations and investigations will also be likely payloads for the small space station.

China is preparing its second moon orbiter for launch in October of this year. The Chang'e 2 probe will carry a high-resolution camera capable of spotting lunar surface features as small as 3 feet.

Chang'e 2 will map potential landing sites for follow-on robotic missions that will attempt to reach the moon's surface, another first for the Chinese space program. China has not set a date for Chang'e 3's lunar landing mission.

A new modular heavy-lift rocket called the Long March 5 is on schedule to begin launching around 2014, according to Liang Xiaohong, another member of the Chinese political advisory panel and party chief of China's state-owned launch vehicle development organization.

Liang was also quoted by the Xinhua news agency.

The Long March 5 will be capable of placing up to 55,000 pounds of payload into low Earth orbit, according to Chinese space officials.

[frigate]

50000 фунтов это 24947 кг, в то время как МАХ грузоподьэмность CZ-5 25000 кг. (LEO) :idea: Тщательнее надо :!:

"И поменяли фунты на рубли"  (C)  

[ronatu]

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Two_Crews_For_Tiangong_999.html