Лунные исследовательские капсулы (ЛИК)

[Johannes]

Where are you get this pictures?
I ask because this little rover looks modern.

Click on the image!  :wink:

[m-s Gelezniak]

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А вообще откуда известно, что это ЛК-Р? Красная стрелка показывает на приборный отсек, а центровка обеспечивалась, насколько я понимаю, установкой верхнего блока ДУ.

Это конечно не ЛК-Р. Но ЛИКи на этом экземпляре присутствуют.
Так же, наличие этого оборудования на обоих вариантах ЛК, свидетельствует из сквозной нумерации на вашем слайде.
Кусочек приборного отсека все же виден:

[David Lee Rickman]

One thing that is becoming apparent...

This LK:



is the same LK seen in this series:









So, does anyone have any films footage which has these scenes in a higher resolution? This is the LK model I am constructing.

Thanks in advance,

David L. Rickman

[Johannes]

By the way, does anyone know something about the television equipment developed for the N1-L3 program?



Some years ago there was apparently a presentation on this subject organized by the Department of History of Space Explorations and Rocketry, St. Petersburg of the Federation of Astronautics of Russia:

27 мая 2004 года -

Молодцов В.В.: О подготовке телевизионной аппаратуры для полета человека на Луну.[/list]
Unfortunately, no details of the report are given on the website.

[m-s Gelezniak]

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Unfortunately, no details of the report are given on the website.

Разработка Ленинградского НИИ Телевидения (НИИТ).
Можно поспрашивать Александра Шлядинского

[Salo]

Может сгодится чего:

Кафедра №601 МАИ — «Космические системы и ракетостроение»

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[David Lee Rickman]

From the report on lab 601 I found this image which adds the additional question of the LK landing "foot" original look...



What was the form before it was "whittled" away?

Best Regards,

David L. Rickman

[Schwalbe]

[David Lee Rickman]

Isn't this the foot with a protective cover over it?

David L. Rickman

[Bell]

Это сотовые амортизаторы.

[David Lee Rickman]

Это сотовые амортизаторы.

Thank you, but here is what confuses me:



In this photo Mishin is showing the bottom of the same foot which was later altered to remove this pattern on the bottom. Is this the cellular shock absorber? Is this how it would have appeared when landing on the moon? And if so, does anyone know how such a pattern was achieved?

I realize this may seem trivial, but when creating such a large scale model accuracy is desirable!

Best Regards,

David L. Rickman

[m-s Gelezniak]

Эти сминаемые подушки-амортизаторры, предназначались для исключения пиковой перегрузки самой стойки, при касании каменистого грунта. В результате некоторый выйгрыш по массе.

[Johannes]

Все же интересно, делалось ли что-то по малому луноходу?

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This is obviously not the chassis of the small lunokhod, as it is shown in the drawing. However, it indicates that IKI was involved in the design of planetokhods around that time period.

[m-s Gelezniak]

Все же интересно, делалось ли что-то по малому луноходу?

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This is obviously not the chassis of the small lunokhod, as it is shown in the drawing. However, it indicates that IKI was involved in the design of planetokhods around that time period.

Сыровата тележка, в том числе и по отказоустойчивости. потому и не пошла.

[m-s Gelezniak]

Весьма интересен экземпляр ЛК находящийся в Королевском колледже:

Много весьма интересных деталей :wink: . Но ничего лучшего чем это фото у меня нет.

[David Lee Rickman]

It took a while to find a copy of the BBC's Horizon: Red Star in Orbit, Part 2: Dark Side of the Moon. But, I did, and now I have a ":stereoscopish" view of the bottom of the LK landing pad...



You have to cross your eyes and adjust a little to see it (and it's a little rough), but you get the 3-D effect. According to Filin this pattern is caused from "imperfections" which naturally occur when trying to layer thin sheets of hexagon stamped foil on top of each other. You can get an idea of what each layer looked like from this shot...



The center was left blank so the "anchoring" point would be unobstructed, once the foil was crushed on impact.

And finally, what's seen in the left part of this photo is the remains of the glue used to hold the foil pads in place...



These foil pads cushioned the additional thrust caused when the four solid propellant engines attached to the legs fired to anchor the LK in place to prevent tipping. This was all pretty ingenious!

Thanks to everyone who helped me understand this feature of the Lunniy Korabl.

Best regards!

David L. Rickman

P. S. Next question: Has anyone seen any images or schematics of the gyroscope used on the LK???

[m-s Gelezniak]

...
... Has anyone seen any images or schematics of the gyroscope used on the LK???

По данному вопросу могу только предположить:

[David Lee Rickman]

По данному вопросу могу только предположить:

I think you are correct. Unfortunately, this is the only image I have seen which shows any part of the instrument section. I also assume the gyroscope is placed here, and this may be it (or the end part of it).

My good friend , Sergey Andreev has posted a photo from  Jakob Terwei which shows part of the instrumentation located here:



I am hoping more photos of the MAI lab 601 LK (prior to its' "questionable" restoration) will be posted which reveal more of this section.

The gyroscope is one of the necessary details I will need to show in my display of the LK.

Best!

David L. Rickman

[David Lee Rickman]

Another picky question which relates to this diagram:



At what point was the "Docking Periscope" deleted from the plans? It is shown in the drawings, but no remaining LK show any signs of a periscope, and no evidence that there was ever one attached. I can only assume that it was deemed unnecessary since the LK would be completely passive during the docking procedure, and removing it reduced the overall weight of the LK. But does anyone have any reference on the periscope and why it was seemingly removed from the plans?

Thanks again!

David L. Rickman

[m-s Gelezniak]

Another picky question which relates to this diagram:
...
At what point was the "Docking Periscope" deleted from the plans? It is shown in the drawings, but no remaining LK show any signs of a periscope, and no evidence that there was ever one attached. I can only assume that it was deemed unnecessary since the LK would be completely passive during the docking procedure, and removing it reduced the overall weight of the LK. But does anyone have any reference on the periscope and why it was seemingly removed from the plans?

Thanks again!

David L. Rickman

Полностью пассивным ЛК не мог быть. Поддерживать ориентацию оси стыковочого узла на ЛОК (подобное решение на системе Игла) ЛК должен был. Косвеным признаком этого, является наличие антенн (6 шт.) аналогичных системе "Куб-Контур" ОС дающих информацию с какой стороны подходит корабль. Одна из этих антенн на схеме под номером 19.