Артемида (Artemis) - лунная пилотируемая программа США

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Alex_II

ЦитатаСтарый пишет:
А ТРД в трубе не подойдёт?  ;)
А чего не фуникулер Земля-Луна?
И мы пошли за так, на четвертак, за ради бога
В обход и напролом и просто пылью по лучу...

Старый

ЦитатаAlex_II пишет:
ЦитатаСтарый пишет:
А ТРД в трубе не подойдёт?  ;)  
А чего не фуникулер Земля-Луна?
Просто в другой теме один санитар предлагает ТРД в трубе. :)
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tnt22

ЦитатаNASA‏Подлинная учетная запись @NASA 4 ч. назад
As our path to the Moon for the #Moon2024 Artemis mission prepares to return astronauts to the lunar surface within five years, take a look at the Moon seen setting by @Astro_Christina on the @Space_Station! More on our Artemis mission:

https://go.nasa.gov/2HOSh4R 

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https://www.nasa.gov/specials/moon2mars/?linkId=68440881#artemis

Старый

Что это? "Луна становится ближе"? 
Надо принять на вооружение Роскосмосу. :) 
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2. Всё что связано с Ангарой подчинено единственной задаче - выкачать из бюджета и распилить как можно больше денег.
3. Ангара и Омск созданы друг для друга!.

Юрий Темников

ЦитатаСтарый пишет:
Alex_II пишет:
ЦитатаСтарый пишет:
А ТРД в трубе не подойдёт? ;)
А чего не фуникулер Земля-Луна?
До АТОСа нужно ещё дожить ,а вот воздушный старт КОРОНы,она же орбитальная Земная и Лунная заправочная ОС,она же для прямого полёта,ОС -Луна-ОС и она же лунная база-самое то
Вначале было СЛОВО!И Такое......что все галактики покраснели и разбежались.

Старый

Паша, ты понял что нужно для освоения Луны? ;)
1. Ангара - единственный в истории мировой космонавтики случай когда новая ракета по всем параметрам хуже старой. (с) Старый Ламер
2. Всё что связано с Ангарой подчинено единственной задаче - выкачать из бюджета и распилить как можно больше денег.
3. Ангара и Омск созданы друг для друга!.

Max Andriyahov

ЦитатаСтарый пишет:
Паша, ты понял что нужно для освоения Луны?
Деньги. Просто деньги. Примерно по цене постройки и эксплуатации одного атомного авианосца

Alex_II

ЦитатаMax Andriyahov пишет:
Деньги. Просто деньги. Примерно по цене постройки и эксплуатации одного атомного авианосца
Это смотря кому их выделить... Некоторым и полного бюджета Пентагона не хватит...
И мы пошли за так, на четвертак, за ради бога
В обход и напролом и просто пылью по лучу...

Lunatik-k

Свато-комовские банды проглотят их и скажут никаких денег не было.
В России много денег, но еще больше лжецов и казнокрадов.

Старый

ЦитатаMax Andriyahov пишет:
ЦитатаСтарый пишет:
Паша, ты понял что нужно для освоения Луны?
Деньги. Просто деньги. Примерно по цене постройки и эксплуатации одного атомного авианосца
Отнюдь. Из денег невозможно сделать корабли и ракеты, и даже невозможно использовать деньги в качестве топлива.
1. Ангара - единственный в истории мировой космонавтики случай когда новая ракета по всем параметрам хуже старой. (с) Старый Ламер
2. Всё что связано с Ангарой подчинено единственной задаче - выкачать из бюджета и распилить как можно больше денег.
3. Ангара и Омск созданы друг для друга!.

tnt22

https://spaceflightnow.com/2019/06/04/nasa-picks-three-companies-to-send-commercial-landers-to-the-moon/
ЦитатаNASA picks three companies to send commercial landers to the moon
June 4, 2019Stephen Clark


Artist's concept of Astrobotic's Peregrine lunar lander. Credit: Astrobotic

NASA has announced that Astrobotic, Intuitive Machines and OrbitBeyond won contracts to deliver science instruments and technology demonstration payloads to the moon's surface in the first of a series of robotic missions preceding a human return to the moon.

The three companies are developing commercial lunar landers capable of hauling experiments, sensors and small rovers to the moon. Astrobotic, Intuitive Machines and OrbitBeyond are among nine companies NASA sel ected last November to compete for contracts through the space agency's Commercial Lunar Payload Services program to ferry science instruments to the lunar surface.

NASA officials touted the CLPS contract announcements Friday as a stepping stone toward landing astronauts on the moon by 2024, a goal set by the Trump administration in March that moved up the agency's earlier plans for a human lunar landing by four years. NASA has named the accelerated lunar landing program Artemis, goddess of the moon and sister of Apollo in Greek mythology.

"These CLPS providers are really leading the way for our return to the moon as part of the Artemis program, and these are precursor missions prior to us landing the first woman and the next man on the surface of the moon in 2024," said Steve Clarke, associate deputy administrator for exploration in NASA's science division.

Astrobotic, Intuitive Machines and OrbitBeyond will share more than $250 million in contracts to deliver as many as 23 NASA-backed payloads to the moon. NASA plans to assign science and technology demonstration instruments to each company's lander in the coming months.

The companies will aim to become the first private entities to successfully soft-land on the moon, and the first to achieve the feat would mark the first touchdown of a U.S. lander on the moon since the Apollo 17 mission's takeoff fr om the lunar surface in December 1972.

OrbitBeyond says it can reach the moon next year

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OrbitBeyond is a new name in the commercial lunar lander marketplace, but the New Jersey-based company leads a consortium of subcontractors who have designed and developed hardware for deep space missions. Team Indus, an Indian company, is leading Orbit Beyond's lander engineering, and payload integration tasks will be managed by Honeybee Robotics, which built hardware for several NASA Mars landers.

According to OrbitBeyond, the company's Z-01 lunar lander will be ready to land on the moon in September 2020. The company's contract with NASA is valued at $97 million, and OrbitBeyond will fly up to four NASA payloads to the moon's Mare Imbrium region, a lava plain on the lunar near side.

The OrbitBeyond lander is based on a design developed by TeamIndus, an Indian team that once competed for the Google Lunar X Prize. TeamIndus is not eligible to compete for CLPS contracts, which are open to U.S. companies.

While reusing the Indian team's design, New Jersey-based OrbitBeyond plans to build its lunar landers in Florida. The Z-01 lander can carry about 90 pounds (40 kilograms) of payloads to the moon's surface.

Siba Padhi, OrbitBeyond's president and CEO, said NASA's CLPS program will foster additional private investment in lunar transportation.

"We are very excited, and we hope to become a major player in cis-lunar space, and we look forward to assisting NASA in its mission to the moon (in) 2024," Padhi said in a teleconference with reporters Friday.

OrbitBeyond plans to launch the rover on a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket.

"The launch vehicle is something that is on our critical path, so to speak, because we want to get into the manifest, which is very busy over the next few years, so we'll be engaging with SpaceX," said Jon Morse, OrbitBeyond's chief science officer.


OrbitBeyond's Z-01 lunar lander. Credit: OrbitBeyond

In addition to a slate of NASA and commercial payloads, OrbitBeyond's lander will also carry a small rover to for a test drive across the lunar surface.

"When we land, the rover drops down, and off it goes. It's got a stereoscopic camera," Morse said. "It's for us, as a company, along with our partners, to learn about how to do surface mobility and operations."

According to Padhi, OrbitBeyond is still in the process of securing full funding for development of the Z-01 lander. The company already has an engineering model of the spacecraft, and has made advance payments for flight hardware, Padhi said.

OrbitBeyond counts Ceres Robotics and Honeybee Robotics as key partners in its commercial lunar lander program.
Astrobotic's Peregrine lander to soar to the moon in 2021

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In Astrobotic's case, Dynetics and Airbus Defense and Space are supporting development of the Peregrine lander, a robotic craft that will stand roughly 6.2 feet (1.9 meters) tall and 8.2 feet (2.5 meters) wide.

NASA's contract for Astrobotic to deliver 14 of the agency's science payloads to the moon is valued at $79.5 million. Astrobotic, headquartered in Pittsburgh, plans to land its first Peregrine mission by July 2021 at Lacus Mortis, a large crater with a surrounding lava plain on the near side of the moon.

The Peregrine is the first of a family of landers planned by Astrobotic. Like OrbitBeyond, Astrobotic once competed for the defunct Google Lunar X Prize, which ended last year without a winner.

"We haven't landed on the surface of the moon as a nation in 46 years, so we need to go back," said John Thornton, Astrobotic's CEO. "We need to start small, and then go bigger and bigger."

Thornton said Astrobotic completed a preliminary design review on the Peregrine last year. The company will build a structural test model and complete the Peregrine lander's critical design review later this year, milestones that will wrap up the spacecraft's design phase and mark the start of full-scale production in preparation for launch in June 2021.

"We're now fully funded for the mission (and) ready to launch," Thornton said. "We do have a small handful of kilograms remaining for payload customers ... We're going to be closing the manifest completely very, very soon, but overall we're off and running and ready for a July of '21 landing."

Astrobotic previously had 14 payloads fr om eight nations booked for the first Peregrine landing, a roster that includes micro-rovers designed to drive short distances on the moon. NASA's contract with Astrobotic doubled the mission's payload manifest to 28 instruments.

Sharad Bhaskaran, mission director at Astrobotic, said the Peregrine lander will weigh around 3,100 pounds (1,400 kilograms) fully fueled for launch. The spacecraft will be able to haul up to 200 pounds, or 90 kilograms, of payload mass to the moon.

Astrobotic previously said the first Peregrine mission would ride into space as a secondary payload aboard a United Launch Alliance Atlas 5 rocket, but Thornton said Friday that the company will make a final launcher selection within a matter of weeks.

"We will ride as a secondary (payload)," Thornton said. "We've been in partnership with ULA for several years, and we're in close communication with them. We've also had a relationship with SpaceX. We're going to be announcing our launch literally within the next few weeks, so we're well within the timeframe to hit our landing date, and we're not too worried about that."
Intuitive Machines leans on NASA-developed landing technology

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Intuitive Machines has the largest lander of the three companies that won NASA payload delivery contracts last week.

Standing roughly 10 feet (3 meters) tall, the Nova-C lander can deliver up to 220 pounds (100 kilograms) of scientific and technology demonstration payloads to the moon. Houston-based Intuitive Machines says the Nova-C lander can reach any location on the moon, and like Astrobotic's Peregrine spacecraft, will be ready for its first lunar landing by July 2021.

"This is a fast-paced program by design, so the schedule (of) two years is aggressive in every case," said Steve Altemus, president and CEO of Intuitive Machines.


Artist's concept of the Nova-C lander from Intuitive Machines. Credit: Intuitive Machines

Intuitive Machines was founded in 2013 by Kam Ghaffarian, an aerospace industry entrepreneur, with Altemus and Tim Crain, both former NASA engineers.

NASA's payload delivery contract with Intuitive Machines is valued at $77 million, covering the launch and landing of up to five instruments at Oceanus Procellarum, or the Ocean of Storms, a vast lava plain on the near side of the moon.

While the landers developed by OrbitBeyond and Astrobotic will use hydrazine fuel, a liquid that can be stored in space at room temperature, Intuitive Machines plans to use a landing engine fed by super-cold liquid methane and liquid oxygen. The use of cryogenic propellants adds complexity, particularly in keeping the liquids from warming up in sunlight, but the engine offers higher performance and could be a building block toward larger landers, Altemus said.

The Nova-C lander's engine can be throttled to control its descent, Crain said, and the craft also carries technology to avoid hazards like craters, boulders and steep slopes.

"We took some known risks on our side for a cryogenic propulsion system ... because of its scaleability, and we're proficient in that," Altemus said. "So we have some challenges in cryo fluid managemenet for the development of the lunar lander, but we think we have those well in hand."

"I'm proud to say that we're firing our LOX/methane flight engine with the flight software on a flight processor currently," Altemus said. "We've had test firings last week and next week, and all through the summer, we'll be doing that to refine the performance of the propulsion systems and the software."

Altemus said Intuitive Machines has a "fully designed lander" and is "fully funded" to support a landing on the moon in July 2021.

The Nova-C traces much of its design heritage to Project Morpheus, a tech demo project led by engineers at NASA's Johnson Space Center that tested a methane-fueled descent engine, hazard avoidance sensors, and other lunar landing hardware during a series of tests at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida from 2012 through 2014.

Intuitive Machines plans to launch the Nova-C lander as the primary payload in a multi-mission rideshare launch on a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket, Altemus said.
NASA officials said the agency plans to issue more task orders to the nine CLPS providers over the next few years, and potentially will add more companies to the list of contractors eligible to compete for lunar payload delivery services.

"We're looking at hopefully building up to a cadence of a couple of missions per year, and then maybe out in the '23 or '24 timeframe (raising) that cadence to three or four missions per year going to several locations on the surface on the moon," Clarke said.

One critical capability NASA wants commercial companies to develop and demonstrate is surface mobility. NASA has asked the nine CLPS providers to submit proposals for study contracts outlining their plans to develop rovers, which could be used as scouts near the lunar south pole, wh ere the Trump administration has challenged NASA to land astronauts by 2024.

"This is the start of building a robust cadence of missions returning to the moon. We're going to do science investigations, we're going to do technology demonstrations, we're going to do ISRU (In Situ Resource Utilization). One important thing about this is a lot of what we are doing, we are going to advance for human exploration on the surface of the moon. A lot of what we do for precursor missions before 2024 are going to help inform that."

But the commercial lunar lander program is risky. None of the three CLPS contract winners have ever launched a space mission, but their lunar lander projects include partnerships with major aerospace companies.

The first private entity to attempt a lunar landing was SpaceIL, an Israeli non-profit organization that developed the Beresheet lander, which crashed on the moon during a landing attempt in April. The Israeli team is in the early stages of planning a follow-up mission named Beresheet 2.

"My confidence is high that these three companies here will succeed," Clarke said. "Like with anything that's hard -- space travel is hard -- I don't doubt that there will some technical challenges along the way over the next two years, but that's to be expected ... I have no doubt that we'll be seeing successful landings on the moon within the next two years."

NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine has compared the CLPS program to "taking shots on goal," a sports analogy wh ere not every shot is expected to land in the net.

Clarke said he believes commercial industry is mature enough to make the CLPS program is successful, but said "time will tell if this model works."

NASA received eight proposals fr om the roster of CLPS providers, and the agency settled on Astrobotic, Intuitive Machines and OrbitBeyond.

"I have high confidence in these three companies, based on the fact that we put out delivery task orders and we received proposals in, and these three companies showed what I would call credible technical plans, well thought out, with schedule and cost commensurate with their plans, and they identified the risks along the way," Clarke said.

Старый

ЦитатаLunatik-k пишет:
Свато-комовские банды проглотят их и скажут никаких денег не было.
Это если дать деньги на АМС. А если на пилотируемую программу то "сватокумовские банды" доставят российского человека на Луну и целым и невредимым вернут его обратно.  :evil:
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2. Всё что связано с Ангарой подчинено единственной задаче - выкачать из бюджета и распилить как можно больше денег.
3. Ангара и Омск созданы друг для друга!.

Asteroid

ЦитатаСтарый пишет:
доставят российского человека на Луну и целым и невредимым вернут его обратно
На чём?
==>[RU.SPACE Forever>

Старый

ЦитатаAsteroid пишет:
ЦитатаСтарый пишет:
доставят российского человека на Луну и целым и невредимым вернут его обратно
На чём?
Спроси у Лунтика. Он уверяет что "сватокумовские банды" найдут на чём.
1. Ангара - единственный в истории мировой космонавтики случай когда новая ракета по всем параметрам хуже старой. (с) Старый Ламер
2. Всё что связано с Ангарой подчинено единственной задаче - выкачать из бюджета и распилить как можно больше денег.
3. Ангара и Омск созданы друг для друга!.

Alex_II

ЦитатаAsteroid пишет:
На чём?
Ну подумаешь, партия скажет "надо", а кто не найдёт на чём - будет обвинен в растрате гос. ассигнований и поедет рукавицы шить... Потому что на него повесят всё с3,14зженное из Роскосмоса и его предприятий за последнюю пятилетку...
И мы пошли за так, на четвертак, за ради бога
В обход и напролом и просто пылью по лучу...

triage

10.06.2019 21:31:34 #76 Последнее редактирование: 11.06.2019 08:05:10 от pnetmon
Мда. Трамп, Пейс - программу колбасит незнай как
Цитата https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/pace-trumps-tweet-reflects-impatience/

PACE: TRUMP'S TWEET REFLECTS IMPATIENCE
By Marcia Smith | Posted: June 8, 2019 11:36 pm ET | Last Updated: June 8, 2019 11:52 pm ET

Scott Pace said today that President Trump's tweet yesterday reflects impatience, not a lack of support for NASA's lunar program. For him, the message was that NASA should spend less time talking about the technical details of getting to the Moon and more about the bigger vision of putting humans on Mars. In discussing the lunar plans, Pace said the U.S. part of the Gateway will remain in its minimalist form until the International Space Station (ISS) is retired because NASA cannot afford both.
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Now it will have a "minimal" configuration, with only the Power and Propulsion Element (PPE) and a mini-habitation module in 2024. NASA has said repeatedly that the original capabilities with full-size habitation modules and scientific research facilities would be restored thereafter.

The question is when. NASA still talks about 2028 as a milestone, but Pace said that U.S. expansion of the Gateway will not happen until after the ISS is decommissioned because NASA cannot afford both. When U.S. government support of ISS will end is an open question, but key members of Congress want it to operate at least until 2030.
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Pace told SpacePolicyOnline.com via email afterwards that his comments refer only to the U.S. portion of the Gateway, not what international partners may contribute.
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Требуя думать о Марсе и так же о создании
Цитата https://spacenews.com/white-house-reiterates-human-moon-missions-on-the-path-to-mars/
White House reiterates human moon missions on the path to Mars
by Jeff Foust -- June 8, 2019
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In a luncheon speech at the National Space Society's International Space Development Conference here June 8, Scott Pace, executive secretary of the National Space Council, said that efforts to return humans to the lunar surface by 2024 were ongoing, but that NASA and the administration should devote more attention to long-term aspirations of human Mars missions.

Pace was scheduled to speak at the conference long before President Trump's comments in a June 7 tweet that appeared to criticize current plans. "For all of the money we are spending, NASA should NOT be talking about going to the Moon - We did that 50 years ago," he wrote. He said NASA should emphasize other objectives, including Mars.

Pace didn't address the tweet in his prepared remarks, but when asked by an audience member in a subsequent question-and-answer session about the tweet, referred to a statement by a White House official June 7 noting that Mars was a long-term goal of NASA's human spaceflight efforts. "We have asked Congress for additional resources to get to the Moon by 2024, which will enable us to get to Mars roughly a decade after creating a sustainable presence on the lunar surface," the official said on background.
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Пейс говорит что минимальная американская инфраструктура окололунной станции 2024 года будет пока не сократится/прекратится финансирование МКС - денег нет.

С одной стороны про Марс понятно - он все так же в планах. Но с другой полет на Марс более реален без создания лунной базы (ее создание требует денег); а без лунной базы нету и Лунной гонки о которой бредит Рогозин.
Но тут непонятно что
Гугло перевод
Цитата«Мы попросили Конгресс предоставить дополнительные ресурсы, чтобы добраться до Луны к 2024 году, что позволит нам добраться до Марса примерно через десять лет после создания устойчивого присутствия на поверхности Луны»
создание чего-то на поверхности Луны. Полет на Марс через 10 лет после создания устойчивого присутствия на поверхности Луны - вот только в каком году это будет, по плану в ....? Ведь кажется не представляли этап и графики "создания устойчивого присутствия на поверхности Луны". Ну это не считая курам насмех дополнительно 1,6 млрд на FY2020 чтобы совершить пилотируемую высадку в 2024 году.

Дмитрий Инфан

Цитатаpnetmon пишет:
Ну это не считая курам насмех дополнительно 1,6 млрд чтобы совершить пилотируемую высадку в 2024 году.
Не дают из вредности.

triage

ЦитатаДмитрий Инфан пишет:
Цитатаpnetmon пишет:
Ну это не считая курам насмех дополнительно 1,6 млрд чтобы совершить пилотируемую высадку в 2024 году.
Не дают из вредности.
Это да, не дают пока на высадку в 2024 году... т.к. много вопросов к такой цели
Цитата https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/trump-changes-course-on-nasas-moon-plans/

TRUMP CHANGES COURSE ON NASA'S MOON PLANS

By Marcia Smith | Posted: June 7, 2019 5:12 pm ET | Last Updated: June 7, 2019 11:13 pm ET
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The bottom line is that the President's position on the Moon program is decidedly unclear, which could affect how Congress responds to the request for $1.6 billion more in FY2020. 
The House Appropriations Committee completely ignored that request
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https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/no-extra-moon-money-in-house-committee-cjs-bill/
NO EXTRA MOON MONEY IN HOUSE COMMITTEE CJS BILL
By Marcia Smith | Posted: May 22, 2019 6:33 pm ET | Last Updated: May 22, 2019 6:47 pm ET

The House Appropriations Committee approved its version of the FY2020 Commerce-Justice-Science (CJS) bill that funds NASA today.  Instead of allocating more money for sending astronauts back to the Moon as requested by the Trump Administration, it added funds for NASA's science and education programs.  The committee did not address the supplemental request, delivered just last week, for another $1.6 billion for the Artemis Moon program.  Its action was only on the original request submitted on March 11.
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The bill provides $22.315 billion for NASA, an increase of $815 million over FY2019 and $1.296 billion more than the Administration's original request.

In the report to accompany the bill, released yesterday, the committee provided some details on its actions.  Bearing in mind that the bill does not take into account the proposed acceleration of the Moon program announced on March 26 and the associated $1.6 billion supplemental, it criticizes the shift in priorities at NASA towards human lunar exploration at the expense of science and education.
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"The Committee rejects these proposals and has included an additional $881,100,000.
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The fate of the $1.6 billion supplemental request will have to wait for Senate action.  The chairman of the Senate CJS subcommittee, Sen. Jerry Moran (R-KS), tweeted his enthusiastic support for the Artemis program last week.  The Senate Appropriations Committee is chaired by Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL), an ardent advocate for the Space Launch System (SLS) and since NASA's newly released Artemis plan assumes three SLS launches by 2024 and a total of eight through 2028, he is likely to be supportive.
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Budget negotiations and FY2020 appropriations have a long way yet to go.  The House Appropriations Committee's CJS bill is just one step.
The Senate Appropriations Committee has not acted yet.
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Старый

Цитатаpnetmon пишет:
Но с другой полет на Марс более реален без создания лунной базы (ее создание требует денег)
Создание лунной базы хотя бы теоретически реально (технически реализуемо), полёт же на Марс это фантастика переходящая в галлюцинации.
1. Ангара - единственный в истории мировой космонавтики случай когда новая ракета по всем параметрам хуже старой. (с) Старый Ламер
2. Всё что связано с Ангарой подчинено единственной задаче - выкачать из бюджета и распилить как можно больше денег.
3. Ангара и Омск созданы друг для друга!.