SpaceX будет разрабатывать спутники в Сиэтле

Автор Apollo13, 14.01.2015 11:47:55

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Apollo13

Маск открывает в Сиэтле офис по разработке спутников.
ЦитатаSatellites will play a crucial role in Musk's efforts to reach his ultimate goal -- establishing a human settlement on Mars. Building a commercial satellite business will provide the entrepreneur with revenue and communications know-how that will eventually serve his Martian aspirations.
Цитата"We're going to try and do for satellites what we've done for rockets," Musk said from a conference room at SpaceX headquarters in Hawthorne, California, predicting the company's Seattle engineering office will ultimately employ "several hundred people, maybe a thousand people."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-13/musk-to-build-satellites-in-seattle-in-drive-for-mars.html

ЦитатаMusk to Bloomberg re satellite manufacture: We'll announce Friday an office in Seattle, 60 people to start, then 100s, to design sats.
https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/555040385748434944

fagot

Вполне логичный шаг, учитывая, что рынок полезных нагрузок больше, нежели рынок пусковых услуг, хотя, конечно, и конкуренция там изрядная.

Apollo13

#2
Цитатаq: 'People have lost billions on satellite development' a: 'We might join them! But satellite technology is not very advanced, they are designed to be space proven, and if you start the design at proven technology, you're designing with old technology, which means you're launching with 5-10 year old technology'.
'Small satellites that may or may not work, with technologies a decade or two more advanced and the ability to relaunch rapidly may change the paradigm'.

Смешное:
В: "Люди потеряли миллиарды на разработке спутников"
О: "Мы можем к ним присоединиться "

С чувством юмора у него все в порядке  :)  

Насколько я понял он собирается строить маленькие дешевые спутники с использованием новых технологий не заморачиваясь надежностью.

napalm

Широко шагает товарищ Маск. Главное - штаны не порвать, по крайней мере пока он конкурентов не задавил :D

Apollo13

Цитатаnapalm пишет:
Широко шагает товарищ Маск. Главное - штаны не порвать, по крайней мере пока он конкурентов не задавил  :D
Наземный старт задавил. Не он один конечно.

napalm

#5
Боюсь тот бы по-любому загнулся. Да и не конкурент он Маску.

Apollo13

Цитатаnapalm пишет:
Боюсь тот бы по-люблму загнулся. Да и не конкурент он Маску.
Это именно конкурент Маску - 4300 кг на ГПО Зенит с Байконура, 4700 кг Фалькон-9. Другой конкурент - меньший слот Ариан-5.

napalm

Я несколько об ином (в свете широкого шагания). На случай если порвутся штаны, ситуация при которой можно не попросить, а даже потребовать денежег на заштопать - это если на их хрупких плечах будет лежать обеспечение пресловутой нацбезопасности. А для этого надо скинуть с трона самизнаетекого. 

Сверхзадача, но Маск показал, что грязная игра ему не чужда. Пока что он получил по ушам, но мало ли какие еще козыри в рукаве. 

napalm

#8
Пока это единственный его ход  :D

ПыСы Нисколько не хочу обидеть нашего родного Маска. Грязная игра - необходимый уровень для соревнований. 
Хотя пара его выпадов в адрес Орбитала были лишними. 


Apollo13

Цитата[Question about satellites.] We are. That's actually what we're going to announce on Friday. It's been floating around.. We're creating an engineering center in Seattle. It's actually a satellite office creating satellites. We'll have a soft opening and then we'll have the big announcement on Friday. "We're going to try to do for satellites what we've done for rockets." See if we can make similar improvements in the satellite arena. [How big?] It's going to be fairly significant. Ultimately several hundred people, maybe a thousand people. So, it's big. At the start maybe up to 60 people. [How long until a thousand people?] Maybe three or four years. [Lot of people in Seattle looking for jobs.] Yeah, exactly. [Microsoft, and..] and also people from Boeing and others, so we expect - it'll primarily be satellites but we'll also - if there's really excellent people who want to work on rockets but for family reasons or just refuses to live in L.A. - a lot of people refuse to live in L.A., then they can work at the Seattle office.

[Why are you optimistic about satellites? People have lost billions..] Yeah, we might join them. Most satellites are really quite primitive. You kinda think that satellite technology would be really advanced but if you look at how the big satellites are done, all the geostationary stuff, they really want something that's flight proven or that's space proven. So, if you start your design process saying you want proven technology, it's not going to be new technology. So then you design it with, essentially old technology, it takes a while to build that design and then you've got to go launch the design and so by the time the satellites is actually launched they're typically really outdated technology - like 5 to 10 years old - and then if we're talking about a geostationary satellite that's up there for 15 years, by the end of its life it's a quarter of a century old technology. In terms of electronics it's super-ancient stuff. But people, because they go with the Battlestar Gallactica strategy of packing everything into one giant satellite they're petrified that if anything goes wrong their whole business could collapse, you end up with old technology. If you instead go with smaller satellites that you launch more frequently you can use present day technology, or even cutting edge stuff that isn't even necessarily in the hands of consumers, take a chance on the satellite not working but since we're launching frequently and testing it out frequently we can verify that it's going to work in space and actually have technology that's a decade or sometimes two decades more advanced.
Маск надеется поживиться сотрудниками Боинга, которые не хотят переезжать из Сиэтла :)

napalm


Apollo13

Цитатаnapalm пишет:
Боинг куда-то уезжает?  :o
Цитата[Have you hired many people from Boeing and Lockheed?] Yeah, we certainly have people from the Air Force and from Lockheed and Boeing. About a third of the company comes from the traditional aerospace industry. [What's the headcount now?] We're just over 4000. We were quite a bit less in previous years.


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Маск:
ЦитатаБольшая часть спутников исключительно примитивна

-вы делаете примитивные спутники, но нам нравятся ваши люди :D

pk13

Цитатаnapalm пишет:

Пока это единственный его ход   

ПыСы Нисколько не хочу обидеть нашего родного Маска. Грязная игра - необходимый уровень для соревнований.
Хотя пара его выпадов в адрес Орбитала были лишними.
Попытка подвода РД-180 через суд под антироссийские санкции тоже ничего себе. По части грязных игр лучше "инноватору" палец в рот не класть.

Плейшнер

Цитатаnapalm пишет:
Пока это единственный его ход  :D  

ПыСы Нисколько не хочу обидеть нашего родного Маска. Грязная игра - необходимый уровень для соревнований.
Хотя пара его выпадов в адрес Орбитала были лишними.
Подать в суд - грязная игра?  :D
Не надо греть кислород!
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napalm

ЦитатаПлейшнер пишет:
Цитатаnapalm пишет:
Пока это единственный его ход  :D  

ПыСы Нисколько не хочу обидеть нашего родного Маска. Грязная игра - необходимый уровень для соревнований.
Хотя пара его выпадов в адрес Орбитала были лишними.
Подать в суд - грязная игра?  :D
Нет, это красивая обертка в которой подается.. оно самое :)

vlad7308

Elon Musk will make global internet satellite network and use it to fund cities on Mars and then he will expand it
 
 Elon Musk plans to launch a network of hundreds of communication satellites to orbit earth. The network would do two things: speed up the general flow of data on the Internet and deliver high-speed, low-cost Internet services to the three billion-plus people who still have poor access to the Web. "Our focus is on creating a global communications system that would be larger than anything that has been talked about to date," Musk told Bloomberg Businessweek ahead of the announcement.
 
 Hundreds of satellites would orbit about 750 miles above earth, much closer than traditional communications satellites in geosynchronous orbit at altitudes of up to 22,000 miles. The lower satellites would make for a speedier Internet service, with less distance for electromagnetic signals to travel. The lag in current satellite systems makes applications such as Skype, online gaming, and other cloud-based services tough to use. Musk's service would, in theory, rival fiber optic cables on land while also making the Internet available to remote and poor regions that don't have access.
 
 According to Musk, SpaceX will focus on making satellites for itself for the time being, rather than competing with its customers, although that may change over time. "I think we would consider building satellites for ourselves and for other people," he says. "We'll start by building ones that address the specific application that we are working on, and then we will be more than happy to sell to other people."
 
 Musk said it will take many, many years to have his Internet service up and running. "People should not expect this to be active sooner than five years," he said. And it'll be expensive: Around $10 billion to build, he says. "But we see it as a long-term revenue source for SpaceX to be able to fund a city on Mars."
 
 Elon says "It will be important for Mars to have a global communications network as well. I think this needs to be done and I don't see anyone else doing it.

Источник - http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/01/elon-musk-will-make-global-internet.html
это оценочное суждение

Прол

#19
Политика и патриотизм как средство конкурентной борьбы:

 I mean, Boeing and Lockheed make decent rockets but three times more is really crazy, and then the main engine is Russian and the engine maker is majority owned by the Kremlin, directly, there's not even a fig leaf between. So, why are we sending hundreds of millions of taxpayer money to fund the Russian war machine? In the interests of national security, we're sending hundreds of millions of dollars to a country that is doing terrible things and certainly not acting in our best interests. This makes no sense, it's like a Joseph Heller novel. Ya know, it's so crazy.

Не хочет Маск финансировать русскую военную машину ;) .