Blue Origin

[Apollo13]

silentpom пишет:
сначала его как-то болтало на начальном этапе торможения двигателем, а у земли вообще наклонило сильно, но у него запас по высоте был метров 10 и он справился

По моему то он в конце порулил к центру площадки.

[triage]

просто длительность полета пассажирской капсулы
Launched at 11:21 a.m. 
Landing of the crew capsule under parachutes at 11:32 a.m.

[Блудный]

Apollo13 пишет:

Зависание оказалось не нужно.

Как это "не нужно", когда оно там присутствует?

[Not]

Apollo13 пишет:
Ну что Безоса можно поздравить. Утер нос Маску с посадкой первой ступени! "Страшный ветер" (тм) не опрокинул. Зависание оказалось не нужно. Как и все остальные страшилки.

Нос не утер, посадка была в тепличных условиях, это тот же Кузнечик.
Ветра не было, ни "страшного", ни бокового, что прекрасно видно по статичному положению облака выхлопа.
Зависание было.
СУ отработала на троечку: присутствовала сильная раскачка. При наличии бокового ветра эта СУ угробит аппарат.
На баржу они в таком виде не сядут, а без оного им не позволят посадку на космодроме.

[Apollo13]

Дададад! "Страшный ветер" (тм) не позволит!

[Salo]

Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust   3 часа назад  
Bezos: will do some "stressful" test flights, including some that will destroy the booster, before flying people.
 
Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust   3 часа назад  
Bezos: going to be "some number of weeks" before flying the hardware again.
 
Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust   3 часа назад
Bezos: hopefully in a couple of years from now we'll fly humans on New Shepard.
 
Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust   3 часа назад
Bezos: this flight was completely nominal, expect to fly this vehicle again.

  Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust   3 часа назад  
Bezos: going to take same exact architecture of New Shepard for booster stage of orbital vehicle.

[Apollo13]

Блудный пишет:

Apollo13 пишет:

Зависание оказалось не нужно.

Как это "не нужно", когда оно там присутствует?

Нигде там вертикальная скорость до нуля не падает

[Salo]

[Salo]

http://spacenews.com/blue-origin-successfully-flies-new-shepard-suborbital-vehicle/

Blue Origin Flies — and Lands — New Shepard Suborbital Spacecraft
by Jeff Foust — November 24, 2015    
 
Updated 12:45 p.m. Eastern time.
WASHINGTON — Blue Origin announced Nov. 24 that it launched its New Shepard suborbital vehicle on a second test flight, flying to the edge of space and successfully landing both sections of the vehicle.
New Shepard launched fr om the company's West Texas test site at 12:21 p.m. Eastern time Nov. 23, reaching a peak altitude of 100.5 kilometers and top speed of Mach 3.72. The vehicle's unoccupied crew capsule separated and parachuted to a landing, while its propulsion module made a powered vertical landing.
"As far as we can tell from our quick-look inspections and a quick look at the data, this mission was completely nominal, and this vehicle is ready to fly again," Blue Origin founder Jeff Bezos said in a brief conference call with reporters Nov. 24.
The test was similar to one flown in April, wh ere the vehicle reached a peak altitude of more than 93 kilometers. On that earlier test, however, a hydraulic problem with the propulsion module prevented it from making a controlled landing.
"This flight validates our vehicle architecture and design," Bezos said in a statement accompanying the announcement of the flight. That includes fins and drag brakes that steer and slow down the propulsion module before its main engine reignites for the final landing sequence.
 
Blue Origin's New Shepard vehicle coming in for a landing Nov. 23 after reaching a peak altitude of 100.5 kilometers and top speed of Mach 3.72. Credit: Blue Origin video

Both modules of New Shepard are designed to be reused. "Full reuse is a game changer, and we can't wait to fuel up and fly again," Bezos said in the statement. The company did not initially state when they next plan to fly the vehicle.
The next test flight, Bezos told reporters, would be "some number of weeks" away, depending on further inspections of the vehicle. "As we examine all the data very closely, and inspect the hardware, we may some subsystems we want to improve," he said. "Our approach is to be very step-by-step, very patient, very methodical."
Bezos said that Blue Origin is planning a series of "many" test flights before they will fly people on board. "We'll do some stressful test flights," he said. That includes one flight to the test the crew capsule escape system near maximum dynamic pressure. "That will almost certainly destroy the booster, but we want to test that condition to convince ourselves and verify the design of the escape system."
The company did not announce the test flight in advance, and did not issue a statement about it until 18 hours after it took place. However, in recent weeks company officials have stated that they planned to conduct a test flight of New Shepard before the end of the year.
The successful flight keeps Blue Origin on track to begin commercial flights of uncrewed research payloads by the middle of 2016, a goal recently stated by company officials. Bezos told reporters he hoped to to start flying people on New Shepard in a couple of years, depending on the progress made during test flights.
"As much as I would like to put humans on that vehicle and fly it as soon as possible," he said, "the reality is that we'll enter commercial operations withat that vehicle when we're ready, and not before."
Bezos added that the New Shepard suborbital test flights will also support the company's development of an orbital launch vehicle it first announced in September. The first stage of that orbital vehicle will land vertically on a platform in the ocean, similar to current efforts by SpaceX to recover the first stage of its Falcon 9 vehicle.
"What we have demonstrated with this flight of New Shepard is a complete reuse of a booster stage," he said. "We're going to take that same exact architecture that was demonstrated and use it on our the booster stage of our orbital vehicle."

[Apollo13]

http://spacenews.com/bezos-boast-draws-musk-into-twitter-tiff/

Безос ответил Маску что условия входа в атмосферу у Нью Шепарда жестче, чем у Фалкона.

During a teleconference with reporters Tuesday, Bezos was asked about SpaceX's efforts to field a partially reusable Falcon 9 rocket."I would make three comments about some of the things that I've heard from SpaceX," Bezos said. "One is that, you have to remember, SpaceX is only trying to recover their first stage booster, which is suborbital. So, of course, the first stage is suborbital.

"The second point that I would make is that the SpaceX first stage does an in-space deceleration burn to make their reentry environment more benign. So, if anything, the Blue Origin booster that we just flew and demonstrated may be the one that flies through the harsher reentry environment," Bezos continued.

"And then finally, the hardest part of vertical landing and reusability is probably the final landing segment, which is the same for both boosters," Bezos said.

[Блудный]

Apollo13 пишет:

Нигде там вертикальная скорость до нуля не падает

В 2:05.

Зависание - выравнивание - боковой манёвр - подтормаживание - касание. Какая-то скорость на всех этапах присутствует. Это да. Но тем не менее зависание есть, зависание это же не полное обездвиживание.

[Salo]

http://www.geekwire.com/2015/jeff-bezos-blue-origin-space-trips-cant-wait-amazon-213986/

Exclusive: Jeff Bezos speaks out on Blue Origin, SpaceX and space trips: 'I can't wait to go!'
by Alan Boyle on November 24, 2015 at 10:16 am
 
Jeff Bezos, the billionaire founder of Amazon and Blue Origin, sprays champagne from a bottle after the successful landing of the New Shepard rocket booster on Monday. (Credit: Blue Origin via YouTube)
 
Amazon's billionaire founder, Jeff Bezos, says watching his Blue Origin rocket make a safe landing after flying into space rates as one of the greatest moments of his life, and he can't wait to take a ride himself.
In an exclusive GeekWire interview, conducted on the morning after the New Shepard test mission, Bezos answered questions about what the flight means for Blue Origin, the space venture he founded ... why he waited so long to start tweeting ... and when the rest of us will get a suborbital space ride. He also stirred the pot in his rivalry with that other billionaire space geek, SpaceX founder Elon Musk.
Here's a transcript of today's Q&A, edited for clarity and length:
 
Jeff Bezos posted his first Twitter update to celebrate the New Shepard test flight.

GeekWire: How does it feel? I saw you spraying folks with champagne this morning ...  What was it like to have this flight go off today?

 Jeff Bezos: I was very optimistic about the flight, but I'll tell you, when I saw that vehicle land, it was one of the greatest moments of my life. Judging by the fact that there wasn't a dry eye in the house, I'm pretty sure all my teammates here at Blue felt the same way. This is a field that people go into in large part because of real heart and passion, and that team did a remarkable job. It was just incredible.

Q: It sounds as if you might have been wondering for a second whether the rocket would actually land on its feet. Did you have any doubts?

 A: You know, I'm an optimist – so I always go into things convinced that they're going to work. But being sure it'll work and seeing it work are two different things.

Q: Tell me what this means for Blue Origin and for spaceflight in general. You've been at this for more than a decade, and you've had your setbacks ...

 A: Well, first, for spaceflight in general: Full reuse is the holy grail of rocketry. You cannot throw the hardware away every time and expect to ever realistically lower the cost of access to space. It's just impossible. What we did is an existence proof that you can vertically land from space and reuse the rocket booster. Our architecture is scalable to very large size. So I'm super-excited about that. It's something that puts us – and not just Blue Origin, but it's something that puts humanity on the path to eventually having millions of people living and working in space.
You were there for last week's Apollo F-1 engine unveiling [at Seattle's Museum of Flight]. If you look at modern rockets today, they still look very much like what you would have seen in the 1960s. You have to get away from expendable rockets if you're going to the next stage. And the booster is the most important stage to make reusable, because it's the biggest, most expensive part of a rocket system.

Q: And what does it mean for Blue Origin?

 A: For Blue Origin, it's two things: There's what it means for our tourism program, and then there's what it means for our orbital vehicle.
For the tourism program, I'm hopeful that we're a couple of years away from commercial operations at this point. We consider this the first of many successful test flights. We're going to conduct a very thorough, very deliberate test program. For the next couple of years, we're going to fly this vehicle many, many times and put it through a lot of stressing conditions. When we're completely confident in the vehicle, then we're going to start selling tickets and putting people on board. That's very exciting.
As for what it means for our orbital vehicle, one of the reasons I love the vertical-takeoff, vertical-landing architecture is that it's so scalable. We're going to take the same architecture we just validated with New Shepard, but at larger scale with our BE-4 engines, and have a completely reusable vertical-landing booster for the orbital vehicle that we're going to fly out of Cape Canaveral.

Q: Are you going to be like Virgin Galactic's Richard Branson and make plans to go on the first commercial flight when New Shepard is ready to take on passengers?

 A: I can't wait to go! I've wanted to do this since I was 5 years old. One thing I love about our vehicle architecture is that it flies autonomously, so we can do this very methodical test program without risking any test pilots. We'll go through this for the next couple of years, and then I can't wait to climb into that vehicle.

Q: There's been a lot of buzz over the past couple of hours. SpaceX's Elon Musk has sent along some tweets, [talking about the difference between suborbital and orbital when it comes to launches and landings]. People are discussing where today's flight stands in space history. Could you say something about your relationship with Elon? I know you've had some controversies, but I also remember hearing that at one time you traded notes about going into space. Are you frenemies?

 A: Well, I don't how to characterize it. The basic Falcon 9 booster is a suborbital stage. In fact, they do a deceleration burn in space that lowers their re-entry conditions. Our re-entry conditions are probably harsher than theirs because of that in-space deceleration burn. They're not trying to make their orbital stage reusable. They're working on making their suborbital stage reusable. And that's what we just did.

Q: This was the first day that you've ever tweeted, as far as I know. What took you so long?

 A: I wanted to save my first tweet for the world's first reusable rocket.

Q: I heard that you invited the "Good Morning America" broadcast team to go into space. How liberal are you with those invitations?

 A: Are you interested in going?

Q: I think I am, yeah.

 A: All right. Well, we'll put you on the list. I can tell you're a passionate space guy, and that's the kind of person we have a soft spot in our heart for. So we'll keep your name ready.

Q: OK, I'll hold you to that. ... Anything else you'd like to touch on?

 A: Well, I hope you can imagine how much passion there is around the room on this team. There are more than 400 people at Blue Origin, and this is just a great achievement of theirs. I'm really proud of the team.

Q: What's the team doing now? How do you celebrate something like this?

 A: We had a party in Seattle, and we had a party here in West Texas. I think people are looking forward to having Thanksgiving dinner and showing the videos to their families and friends.

Q: And you'll probably be doing the same, I imagine.

 A: You can count on it.

[Leonar]

а всеравно кузнечик так уже делал

[Salo]

Leonar пишет:
а всеравно кузнечик так уже делал

Как делал? Поднимался на 100 км и садился?

[Apollo13]

Salo пишет:

Leonar пишет:
а всеравно кузнечик так уже делал

Как делал? Поднимался на 100 км и садился?

Он тогда кажись даже двигатель не выключал.

[Leonar]

тык фалькон на землю тоже бы...
Какая разница с какой высоты лететь? Активная фаза с километра начинается примерно, все остальное баллистика

[Salo]

Вот Маск эту разницу на своей шкуре и тестирует.

[Leonar]

Salo пишет:
Вот Маск эту разницу на своей шкуре и тестирует.  

А я о чем? Кузнечик на земле работал... А в авианосном варианте не айс

[vissarion]

а девайс-то неплохой:
диаметр 7м, водород, дросселирование 85%, и многоразовость - сказка

пройдёмся по предсказаниям экспертов, этакое "вспомнить всё":
вначале кащенко

Эти и на 100 км не поднимутся. И никаких шансов

отсюда

у этого голубого оригинала и прочей шелупони никаких шансов, нигде и никогда

отсюда
от него заразились и нормальные люди типа энди

И что, есть чудаки, которые верят, что этот пепелац взлетит в космос?

отсюда

контора ориентирована прежде всего на попил и прокрут, а не на результат

отсюда

лишь попытка оправдать грант, полученный от NASA

отсюда

Безос тратил $50 млн каждый год на протяжении 10 лет и у него было 300 сотрудников со средней зарплатой 6 тыс долл в месяц.

самое грустное, если взять с хруничева 300 инженеров (из их текущих 43500 человек в штате) и выдавать им по $50 млн в год (из текущего бюджета гкнпц, который где-то $800 млн) , смогут ли они через 10 лет сделать и запустить семиметровую многоразовую ступень на водороде?

[Sam Grey]

vissarion пишет:
а девайс-то неплохой:
диаметр 7м, водород, дросселирование 85%, и многоразовость - сказка

пройдёмся по предсказаниям экспертов, этакое "вспомнить всё":
вначале кащенко

Эти и на 100 км не поднимутся. И никаких шансов

отсюда

у этого голубого оригинала и прочей шелупони никаких шансов, нигде и никогда

отсюда
от него заразились и нормальные люди типа энди

И что, есть чудаки, которые верят, что этот пепелац взлетит в космос?

отсюда

контора ориентирована прежде всего на попил и прокрут, а не на результат

отсюда

лишь попытка оправдать грант, полученный от NASA

отсюда

Безос тратил $50 млн каждый год на протяжении 10 лет и у него было 300 сотрудников со средней зарплатой 6 тыс долл в месяц.

самое грустное, если взять с хруничева 300 инженеров (из их текущих 43500 человек в штате) и выдавать им по $50 млн в год (из текущего бюджета гкнпц, который где-то $800 млн) , смогут ли они через 10 лет сделать и запустить семиметровую многоразовую ступень на водороде?

Браво.