Артемида (Artemis) - лунная пилотируемая программа США

[STS]

не удивлюсь если через 10 месяцев будет выбор между окончательным финалистом и Боингом 

[Alex_II]

STS написал:
не удивлюсь если через 10 месяцев будет выбор между окончательным финалистом и Боингом  

Ага - у которого на тот момент по теме будет хер. Без соли. С чего бы вдруг кто-то о нем вспомнил?

[triage]

Старый написал:
Чтото я не понял: Страшип уже включён в госзаказ?  :oops:  

что они за 135 млн сделают?

[Boris Mekler]

STS написал:
не удивлюсь если через 10 месяцев будет выбор между окончательным финалистом и Боингом  

А что Боинг предложит, и главное, на какие шиши? Сегодня распределили бабло на предварительную разработку, и Боингу (на пару с Intuitive Machines) показали кукиш.

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Boris Mekler написал:
 

STS написал:
не удивлюсь если через 10 месяцев будет выбор между окончательным финалистом и Боингом  

А что Боинг предложит, и главное, на какие шиши? Сегодня распределили бабло на предварительную разработку, и Боингу (на пару с Intuitive Machines) показали кукиш.

Боинг не очень обидели. Здесь речь идет о посадке на Луну, а до Луны нужно еще долететь. А чтоб долететь, у Боинга закажут СЛС под миллиард за штуку. Для Боинга миллиард не жалко!)

[pkl]

vlad7308 написал:
 ну вот, а говорили - телик не смотрите.
Я так и знал, что это неправда

Сейчас начал смотреть. У меня новый телевизор появился, с большой диагональю.

[pkl]

Чебурашка написал:
Прежде чем давать новые заказы Боингу - пусть сначала Старлайнер и ракету из трёх букв до ума доведут.
Безос ещё вообще до космоса не долетел. Пусть растёт.

В таком случае закономерный вопрос: какая Луна? Насколько далеко они вообще продвинутся на сей раз?

[Not]

Старый написал:
Чтото я не понял: Страшип уже включён в госзаказ?  :oops:  

Теперь ты понял для чего была вся эта затея с чайниками в поле?

[Дмитрий Инфан]

Так или иначе, но пора бы за лунный модуль браться и нам. А то до 2030 года всего 10 лет осталось.

[Alex_II]

Дмитрий Инфан написал:
Так или иначе, но пора бы за лунный модуль браться и нам. А то до 2030 года всего 10 лет осталось.

Зато до жопы близко... Ракеты нет, корабля нет - какой в звезду лунный модуль?

[Boris Mekler]

cross-track написал:
  Боинг не очень обидели. Здесь речь идет о посадке на Луну, а до Луны нужно еще долететь. А чтоб долететь, у Боинга закажут СЛС под миллиард за штуку. Для Боинга миллиард не жалко!)

Ага, а историческую пересадку исторических астронавтов исторической НАСА из исторического Ориона исторически доставленного туда исторической СЛС (за исторический миллиард) в лунный лендер будет снимать бригада кинооператоров заранее доставленная туда Старшипом.

[triage]

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-names-companies-to-develop-human-landers-for-artemis-moon-missions

NASA has selected three U.S. companies to design and develop human landing systems (HLS) for the agency's Artemis program, one of which will land the first woman and next man on the surface of the Moon by 2024. NASA is on track for sustainable human exploration of the Moon for the first time in history.

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The human landing system awards under the Next Space Technologies for Exploration Partnerships (NextSTEP-2) Appendix H Broad Agency Announcement (BAA) are firm-fixed price, milestone-based contracts. The total combined value for all awarded contracts is $967 million for the 10-month base period.

The following companies were selected to design and build human landing systems:

Blue Origin of Kent, Washington, is developing the Integrated Lander Vehicle (ILV) – a three-stage lander to be launched on its own New Glenn Rocket System and ULA Vulcan launch system.

Dynetics (a Leidos company) of Huntsville, Alabama, is developing the Dynetics Human Landing System (DHLS) – a single structure providing the ascent and descent capabilities that will launch on the ULA Vulcan launch system.

SpaceX of Hawthorne, California, is developing the Starship – a fully integrated lander that will use the SpaceX Super Heavy rocket.
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NASA's commercial partners will refine their lander concepts through the contract base period ending in February 2021. During that time, the agency will evaluate which of the contractors will perform initial demonstration missions. NASA will later sel ect firms for development and maturation of sustainable lander systems followed by sustainable demonstration missions. NASA intends to procure transportation to the lunar surface as commercial space transportation services after these demonstrations are complete. During each phase of development, NASA and its partners will use critical lessons fr om earlier phases to hone the final concepts that will be used for future lunar commercial services.
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https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-selects-blue-origin-dynetics-spacex-for-artemis-human-landers
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To start, the companies will begin work in an approximate 10-month base period outlined in the NextSTEP-2 Appendix H BAA. During the base period, NASA teams will be embedded with the companies to help streamline the review of required deliverables to NASA and to impart expertise that the agency has acquired over the last 60 years of human spaceflight systems development.  

"NASA has a proven track record for landing people and cargo on other planetary surfaces," said Lisa Watson-Morgan, Human Landing System program manager at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville. "It's an amazing time to be with NASA partnering with U.S. Industry and our focused goals of landing humans on the Moon by 2024."

The concepts are outlined below in alphabetical order.  

Blue Origin
Blue Origin is the prime contractor for the National Team that includes Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Draper. Their Integrated Lander Vehicle (ILV) is a three-stage lander that harnesses the proven spaceflight heritage of each team.  
Blue Origin will build the descent element which is powered by BE-7 cryogenic engines three years in private development, with cryogenic technologies now under Tipping Point support. Lockheed will build the ascent element that includes the crew cabin, which will have significant commonality with Orion. Northrop Grumman will build the transfer element based largely on its Cygnus cargo module that services the International Space Station. Northrop Grumman is also leading development of a future refueling element for a sustainable lander demonstration. Draper will provide the guidance, navigation and control, avionics, and software systems that draw largely on similar systems the company has developed for NASA.  
In their proposal, the National Team outlines a plan in which the ILV can dock with either Orion or the Gateway to await crew arrival. The Blue Origin National Team's elements for the Human Landing System can be launched individually on commercial rockets or combined to launch on NASA's Space Launch System.

Dynetics
Dynetics proposed a robust team with more than 25 subcontractors specializing in both the larger elements and the smaller system-level components of the Dynetics Human Landing System. The large team capitalizes on Dynetics' experience as an integrator on military and defense contracts with large subcontractor teams.  
The Dynetics Human Landing System concept includes a single element providing the ascent and descent capabilities, with multiple modular propellant vehicles prepositioned to fuel the engines at different points in the mission. The crew cabin sits low to the surface, enabling a short climb for astronauts entering, exiting, or transporting tools and samples. The DHLS systems supports both docking with Orion and with Gateway, and will get a fuel top-off before descending to the surface. After the surface expedition, the entire vehicle will return  for crew transfer back to Orion.  
The Dynetics Human Landing System is rocket-agnostic, capable of launching on a number of commercial rockets.  

SpaceX
Starship is a fully reusable launch and landing system designed for travel to the Moon, Mars, and other destinations. The system leans on the company's tested Raptor engines and flight heritage of the Falcon and Dragon vehicles. Starship includes a spacious cabin and two airlocks for astronaut moonwalks.  
Several Starships serve distinct purposes in enabling human landing missions, each based on the common Starship design. A propellant storage Starship will park in low-Earth orbit to be supplied by tanker Starships. The human-rated Starship will launch to the storage unit in Earth orbit, fuel up, and continue to lunar orbit.  
SpaceX's Super Heavy rocket booster, which is also powered by Raptor and fully reusable, will launch Starship fr om Earth. Starship is capable of transporting crew between Orion or Gateway and the lunar surface.
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Artist concept of the Blue Origin National Team crewed lander on the surface of the Moon.
Credits: Blue Origin

Artist concept of the Dynetics Human Landing System on the surface of the Moon.
Credits: Dynetics

Artist concept of the SpaceX Starship on the surface of the Moon.
Credits: SpaceX

https://spacenews.com/nasa-selects-three-companies-for-human-landing-system-awards/
NASA selects three companies for human landing system awards
by Jeff Foust — April 30, 2020

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WASHINGTON — NASA announced April 30 it has selected three companies to begin work on designs for human lunar landers, one of which the agency still hopes will be ready to land humans on the moon by the end of 2024.

NASA selected teams led by Blue Origin, Dynetics and SpaceX for 10-month study contracts for the Human Landing System (HLS) program. The combined value of the awards is $967 million.

"Let's make no mistake about it: We are now on our way," Doug Loverro, NASA associate administrator for human exploration and operations, said in a media teleconference to announce the awards, saying it completed NASA plans under the Artemis program to return humans to the moon. "There are no more puzzle pieces to add. We've got all the pieces we need."

The largest award went to the team led by Blue Origin, which received $579 million. That so-called "national team," announced in October, includes Draper, Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman. Blue Origin will develop the descent module, based on its Blue Moon lander design, while Lockheed provides the ascent module, Northrop builds the transfer stage, and Draper develops avionics and related systems.

A team led by Dynetics with more than 25 subcontractors received $253 million. Dynetics announced in January it had bid on the HLS program, with Sierra Nevada Corporation as one of its partners. The Dynetics design features a single module capable of both descending to the surface and ascending back to orbit.

SpaceX received the third HLS award, valued at $135 million. SpaceX is offering its Starship vehicle for lunar landings, which would be launched on its Super Heavy booster and fueled in Earth orbit by other Starship vehicles before departing for the moon. SpaceX had not announced its intent to bid on the program, declining to answer questions about it in the past, although the company was widely rumored to have submitted a bid.

The three winning bidders will begin work with NASA to refine their concepts, including defining requirements for each lander. "We're going to spend the first three months understanding the awardees' designs," said Lisa Watson-Morgan, NASA's HLS program manager. "This is far more than just studies. It's going to encompass deep design, development, long-lead procurements for each of the awardees."

That work will lead to a level of maturity for each design equivalent to a preliminary design review. NASA plans to conduct a "continuation review" by the end of the 10-month studies, she said, "so we know, quickly, who we think has the best shot of making 2024."

The lander most likely to be ready for a 2024 landing will go forward, but NASA suggested one or both of the other companies could be retained to develop landers better suited for later missions wh ere NASA has emphasized sustainability.
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None of the three companies proposed using the Space Launch System for their lunar landers. Blue Origin said their lander can launch either on its own New Glenn vehicle or United Launch Alliance's Vulcan, while Dynetics has baselined Vulcan and SpaceX its own Super Heavy booster for Starship. Bridenstine said SLS will still be used for launching the crewed Orion spacecraft to lunar orbit, wh ere it will dock with the Gateway or directly with the selected lander.
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Notably absent fr om the winners was Boeing, which announced in November it had proposed a lunar lander system that could be launched in one piece on the SLS. NASA officials on the call declined to state why Boeing was not selected, or if it had received other proposals, saying that would be included a source selection statement.

That source selection statement, posted on a procurement site April 30, confirmed Boeing submitted a proposal — along with another, previously unknown company, Vivace — but offered no explanation of why it was not selected.

"While Boeing is disappointed not to have been selected for HLS, we remain focused on delivering our elements of NASA's Space Launch System, the rocket that will take Americans to the Moon and Mars," Boeing spokesman Jerry Drelling said in a statement to SpaceNews.

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[triage]

cross-track написал:
Боинг не очень обидели. Здесь речь идет о посадке на Луну, а до Луны нужно еще долететь. А чтоб долететь, у Боинга закажут СЛС под миллиард за штуку. Для Боинга миллиард не жалко!)

Боинг занят своей SLS (и CST-100) поэтому нагружать их еще и лендером - Боинг тогда будет слишком распылятся на столько проектов. Плюс Боинг сидит в мировом авиационном кризисе связанным с вирусом (помимо своего МАКса).

Предположим что грузовик SpaceX для окололунной орбиты в рамках снабжения Ворот будет создан с учетом наработок по указанному в статье.

[Димитър]

triage написал:
Blue Origin of Kent, Washington, is developing the Integrated Lander Vehicle (ILV) – a three-stage lander to be launched on its own New Glenn Rocket System and ULA Vulcan launch system. Dynetics (a Leidos company) of Huntsville, Alabama, is developing the Dynetics Human Landing System (DHLS) – a single structure providing the ascent and descent capabilities that will launch on the ULA Vulcan launch system.

И как они себе представляют полет на Луне? Лендер на Вулкане или на Нью Гленн, а Орион с людьми отдельно на SLS?

[Alex_II]

Димитър написал:
И как они себе представляют полет на Луне? Лендер на Вулкане или на Нью Гленн, а Орион с людьми отдельно на SLS?

Ну да - чтоб Боингу совсем уж сосать не пришлось... А то если его SLSa лишить...

[Димитър]

Однако:

Michael Sheetz @thesheetztweetz ·
SpaceX told NASA that — before it flies astronauts to the Moon in 2024 — Starship will have done:

- Orbital flight with Super Heavy
- Reflight
- Long duration orbital flight
- Beyond LEO flight
- Lunar landing demo mission in 2022

[tnt22]

Artemis Announcement: NASA Selects Human Landing Systems

NASA

30 апр. 2020 г.

NASA has selected three American companies – Blue Origin, Dynetics and SpaceX – to design and develop human landing systems for the Artemis program. With these awards, NASA is on track to land the next astronauts on the lunar surface by 2024, and establish sustainable human exploration of the Moon by the end of the decade.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/dlHJAKIaALg (2:14)

[triage]

Димитър написал:
И как они себе представляют полет на Луне? Лендер на Вулкане или на Нью Гленн, а Орион с людьми отдельно на SLS?

да, стыковка на окололунной. SLS не вынесет все вместе, а заказа на две SLS на 2024 год не было.

Димитър написал:
Однако:
Michael Sheetz @thesheetztweetz

 https://twitter.com/spacecom/status/1255997377736896512

  https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1255995396582670342
Source: NASA source selection reasoning for HLS

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Within Technical Area of Focus 7, Approach to Early Systems Demonstration, the SEP evaluated SpaceX's proposal as having one significant strength for its robust and aggressive early systems demonstration plan that I find to be particularly notable. SpaceX's approach to rapid HLS development heavily prioritizes early and numerous ground and flight system demonstrations to reduce schedule and technical risk. Because the base Starship design serves both HLS and SpaceX's commercial launch purposes, SpaceX asserts that many of its HLS systems will be demonstrated many times on operational missions prior to the 2024 HLS mission. Examples of such demonstration activities include a low-Earth orbital flight of Starship with a demonstration of SpaceX's Super Heavy launch vehicle, a re-flight of the Starship, a long-duration orbital flight, a beyond-LEO flight, and a lunar landing demonstration mission scheduled for 2022. This comprehensive demonstration plan will meaningfully facilitate the maturation of critical technologies and demonstrably reduces schedule and technical risk, thereby greatly enhancing the potential for successful contract performance.

 https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1255997551871954951
 https://twitter.com/TimFernholz/status/1255996191088640000
And NASA replied...

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However, notwithstanding SpaceX's record of successful past performance and valuable relevant experience concerning the development of complex spaceflight hardware, the SEP also evaluated SpaceX's proposal as having a significant weakness in the area of Past Performance that I find notable. Specifically, SpaceX's record of performance on two relevant contracts—its Commercial Crew contract for the development of its human-rated Crew Dragon vehicle and its Air Force Orbital/Sub-Orbital Program 3 (OSP-3) contract for the development of the Falcon Heavy launch vehicle—both exhibited considerable schedule delays. These delays decreased the SEP'S confidence in SpaceX's ability to successfully execute on its proposed HLS development schedule. While I concur with the SEP's conclusions with respect to this issue, I find that SpaceX's extensive relevant experience, combined with the lessons learned from these efforts, somewhat mitigate the risk associated with the potential for schedule delays.

[Alex_II]

Boris Mekler написал:
 историческую пересадку исторических астронавтов исторической НАСА из исторического Ориона исторически доставленного туда исторической СЛС (за исторический миллиард) в лунный лендер будет снимать бригада кинооператоров заранее доставленная туда Старшипом.

И тогда над Боингом и НАСА уже просто будут ржать все кому не лень, а некоторые ещё и письма своим конгрессменам писать примутся...

[pkl]

Старый написал:
 

Компания Intuitive Machines выбрало место посадки своего лунного модуля

Ммммм... Дааа... Похоже нынче не "летает" на Луну только самый тупой и ленивый...

Или осторожный. Сколько всего было программ по возвращению на Луну?