CST-100

[Salo]

Василий Ратников пишет:
А картинки от создателей Фобос-в-грунт и групповых запусков глонассов подводу не особо. Как это полечить ?

Картинки от создателей  Astro-H Вам нравятся больше? Запуски OCO и Glory были не под воду? В лечении они не нуждаются?

[Quооndo]

НУ вот что и требовалось доказать http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/news/31194/
Боинг в пролете, очевидно СПэйс Икс тоже. Реальная эксплуатация начнется только после 2020-го года.

[Alex_II]

Quооndo пишет:
НУ вот что и требовалось доказать

Да ничего это не доказывает. Перестраховываются просто на случай чего. Деньги-то по этому контракту все равно будут по факту платиться, не будут летать - не будут платить...

[napalm]

Из новости не очень понятно - это сумма за шестерых или за каждого?

[Alex_II]

napalm пишет:
Из новости не очень понятно - это сумма за шестерых или за каждого?

Сумма-то 87-88 миллионов долларов всего лишь... Если это за всех - то выходит, что цена упала резче чем на Протон...

[napalm]

Тааак-с, новость уже поменяли. Теперь речь о сумме, которую ОРКК заплатит "Энергии"..

[Alex_II]

napalm пишет:
Тааак-с, новость уже поменяли. Теперь речь о сумме, которую ОРКК заплатит "Энергии"..

Теперь вообще не понятно, за что эти деньги...

[triage]

 https://www.nasa.gov/feature/simulators-give-astronauts-glimpse-of-future-flights
Simulators Give Astronauts Glimpse of Future Flights
April 27, 2016


Astronauts Suni WIlliams and Eric Boe evaluate part-task trainers for Boeing's CST-100 Starliner at the company's St. Louis facility.
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NASA selected Bob Behnken, Doug Hurley, Boe and Williams in July to train for test flights aboard the Starliner ‎and SpaceX Crew Dragon to the International Space Station. The flight assignments have not been set, so all four of the astronauts are rehearsing for the Starliner and Crew Dragon test flights to the space station.
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Later, a simulator the size of a Starliner flight deck will be finished and used in Houston to train the full-flight crew.
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A training engineer evaluates part of the simulator system for Boeing's CST-100 Starliner as astronaut Suni Williams performs mission profiles in crew section.

Astronaut Eric Boe runs mission scenarios in a Boeing part-task trainer that simulates CST-100 Starliner missions like those that will be flown for NASA's Commercial Crew Program.

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Ну очень glass cockpit

[triage]

Это эмуляция - тумблера и кнопки будут     

p.s. ранее тренажеры мелькнули тут http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum10/topic12270/message1460616/#message1460616

[Salo]

James Dean ‏@flatoday_jdean  4 ч.4 часа назад  
Lisa Colloredo, CCP associate manager at KSC, touts program's cost effectiveness.
 

[SFN]

цена для американцев с учетом пошлин

[Salo]

В основном преимущество четырёхчленного экипажа перед трёхчленным.
И остаётся вопрос включены ли в стоимость у американцев поисково-спасательные операции.

[Salo]

James Dean ‏@flatoday_jdean 3 ч.3 часа назад
Former NASA astronaut Scott Altman asks if rockets have any abort black zones during ascent. Boeing, SpaceX both say no. #SpaceCongress2016
 
  James Dean ‏@flatoday_jdean  4 ч.4 часа назад  
Boeing's presentation in Commercial Crew panel includes no target dates. #SpaceCongress2016


 
  James Dean ‏@flatoday_jdean  5 ч.5 часов назад  
Cabana: Hope Boeing, SpaceX flying test flights in 2017, contracted flights 2018. [Boeing has already said '18] #SpaceCongress2016

[Pirat5]

Salo пишет:
В основном преимущество четырёхчленного экипажа перед трёхчленным.

4места*58М$ ~=3 места*81М$. На US кораблях просто 4й летит бесплатно.

И остаётся вопрос включены ли в стоимость у американцев поисково-спасательные операции.

Хороший вопрос.
Но исходя из мысли "а нужны ли им  поисково-спасательные операции" для конкурентной цены - может получиться отрицательный ответ. Вероятно это за доп.плату.

[Salo]

James Dean ‏@flatoday_jdean  3 ч.3 часа назад  
ULA's Tony Taliancich says crew access arm will be installed this summer on tower at LC41. #SpaceCongress2016

[Salo]

http://www.nasa.gov/feature/2016-advances-mark-commercial-crews-path-to-flight-0

June 15, 2016
 2016 Advances Mark Commercial Crew's Path to Flight
 
By Steven Siceloff ,
NASA's Kennedy Space Center, Florida
Hundreds of engineers and technicians with NASA, Boeing, and SpaceX have ramped up to complete the final designs, manufacturing, and testing as they continue the vital, but meticulous work to prepare to launch astronauts to the International Space Station.
Halfway through the pivotal 2016 year, the companies building the next generation of human-rated spacecraft and launch vehicles are testing systems in more demanding, flight-like environments. Boeing and SpaceX are manufacturing the systems that will return America's human launch capability, while they simultaneously build and modify launch facilities, and complete mission simulators. All while continuing to test and refine their designs, and analyze the results to ensure they are meeting NASA's requirements.
"We knew 2016 would be a critical year as Boeing and SpaceX build qualification and flight hardware, and test the integrated systems to ensure the rockets and spacecraft function as designed," said Kathy Lueders, manager of NASA's Commercial Crew Program. "Their careful design, analysis and early prototype testing during the last several years has put us on the right course, and now we are excited to see flight hardware coming together. The companies are excited, too, but we know there are many steps ahead to successfully and safely complete these flight tests and begin operational missions to the International Space Station."
Boeing is building the CST-100 Starliner spacecraft, which will launch fr om Space Launch Complex 41 at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida on United Launch Alliance's Atlas V rockets.
"Our spacecraft design is in firm configuration, teams are conducting about one component qualification test per week and Starliner crew and service modules are coming together in Florida," said John Mulholland, vice president and program manager of Boeing's Commercial Programs. "It's an exciting time to be a part of American human spaceflight and we're looking forward to our first flight in 2017."
SpaceX is independently building its Crew Dragon to launch on the company's Falcon 9 rockets fr om Launch Pad 39A at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida.
"There's a lot of work to do, and we're making great progress," said Benjamin Reed, director of Commercial Crew Mission Management at SpaceX. "We're excited to return America's crew carrying capability and are on track to complete a number of important milestones on the path to flying astronauts next year."
The systems that will go into each spacecraft – such as avionics, flight computers, life support, communications and numerous others – are being tested individually and in complex networks to make sure they don't interfere with each other.
A pool at NASA's Langley Research Center in Virginia was the site for simulated contingency water landings for Boeing's Starliner. The testing enabled Boeing and NASA engineers to evaluate the capsule's six perimeter airbags and uprighting capabilities. Starliner missions will normally land on land, so the same Starliner mockup will be dropped at another Langley facility to qualify the vehicle for land landings.
Later this year, Boeing will test parachute components to be used on Starliner flights, in a series of progressively more flight-like drop tests, including high-altitude boilerplate releases fr om balloons.
SpaceX has begun a campaign of parachute tests in which weight simulators with Crew Dragon parachutes and connectors are dropped fr om airplanes to determine their deployment behavior. Engineers use the results to feed computer models that can evaluate different deployment conditions and indicate whether the hardware will work as designed in a host of flight conditions, including aborts. The tests will continue throughout this year and next, growing more complex and verifying the safety and reliability of the system.
Boeing's reaction control system thrusters – the small jets that maneuver the spacecraft in orbit – and the launch abort engines that would push a Starliner and its crew out of danger in an emergency also are being prepped for qualification tests before the systems are installed for flights. Simultaneously, a 12-foot-long, 600-plus-pound Starliner/Atlas V wind tunnel model equipped with hundreds of sensors is providing engineers with high-fidelity dynamic and static pressure data the vehicle will experience during ascent.
Once the 2016 work has been completed, NASA and its partners will stand on the verge of conducting the first human-rated spaceflights to launch fr om American soil in six years. The teams at NASA, Boeing and SpaceX understand that the finish line for development is near, but they are keeping a close eye on every detailed step along the way.
Momentum Gains in Manufacturing, Launch Facilities
Manufacturing facilities are in operation on the east and west coasts to build the next generation of spacecraft to return human launch capability to American soil. Over the past six months, Boeing and SpaceX – the companies partnered with NASA to transport astronauts to and from the International Space Station – each have begun producing the first in a series of spacecraft.
Rather than building one Boeing CST-100 Starliner or SpaceX Crew Dragon at a time, each company set out to produce several spacecraft in an assembly-line fashion while maintaining the careful attention to detail and inspections required of any spacecraft, particularly those that will carry astronauts into orbit.
NASA's Commercial Crew Program partners are building and testing components across the United States as prototype spacecraft and flight test vehicles are carefully assembled. Subsystems for the operational missions are coming together, as spacecraft and rocket assembly lines gear up for production.
In Florida, wh ere Boeing is constructing Starliners, engineers have assembled the crew module of the Structural Test Article that will be shipped to Huntington Beach, California, wh ere it will join the previously delivered service module for extensive testing under a host of exhaustive conditions. The two main elements of the first flight-like Starliner - the upper and lower pressure domes - inside the Commercial Crew and Cargo Processing Facility at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida are undergoing early check outs and assembly before they are joined together for environmental qualification tests and the pad abort test.
SpaceX is welding the pressure vessels for four Crew Dragons, two test articles and two flight vehicles in the company's Hawthorne, California, factory. The next six months are expected to see each of the pressure vessels built up to different stages for structural and subsystem testing followed by uncrewed and crew flight tests known as Demo 1 and Demo 2 for "Demonstration Mission."
The launch facilities for both companies are deep into their modifications and construction. The Crew Access Tower on Space Launch Complex 41, at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida, is in place and the Crew Access Arm astronauts will use to cross from the tower to the Starliner hatch will be transported to the pad for placement on the tower this summer. Additionally, about 25,000 lines of software code have been written for the rocket and launch site to communicate with all the new crew-specific hardware. All the work has been completed while still allowing launches of the United Launch Alliance Atlas V from the launch pad.
At historic Launch Pad 39A at Kennedy, wh ere Apollo and space shuttle missions began, SpaceX is taking down the rotating service structure designed to handle shuttle payloads. They've also removed more than 500,000 pounds of steel from the fixed service structure and are building shielding around the tower to protect from the blast of the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy rockets. Its Crew Access Arm also is under construction and is slated to be installed on the tower later this year.
Numerous readiness reviews, which assemble engineers from NASA and the respective company, will be held throughout development before the launch sites are used for the first time to launch astronauts.
Astronauts Contribute Vital Feedback in Spacecraft Designs
NASA astronauts are working closely with commercial partners Boeing and SpaceX to analyze designs, try out spacecraft simulators and prepare for missions to the International Space Station. Bob Behnken, Eric Boe, Doug Hurley and Suni Williams, the four astronauts sel ected to train for Commercial Crew Program flight tests, routinely visit both companies' facilities across the country to examine progress up-close and practice all aspects of a mission to the station.
The commercial crew astronauts work side-by-side with Boeing and SpaceX engineers to evaluate their systems and trainers as they each prepare to return launches to the International Space Station from American soil. They have performed fit checks in mockup spacecraft, assessed the spacecraft's display panel and controls among numerous other systems.
Behnken and Boe joined flight director Richard Jones and his NASA/Boeing flight control team June 7 in the first Mission Control Center on-console simulation of a Starliner launch, climb to orbit and post-orbital insertion timeline. The ascent simulation included a training team inserting problems remotely from a nearby building, which allowed the control team to follow checklists and procedures to solve issues that could arise during a dynamic, real-flight situation.
Other astronauts not assigned to train for Commercial Crew flight tests also work with the teams of engineers on everything fr om simulators and spacesuits to component designs. With two new spacecraft in development, there are plenty of evaluations served by astronauts' expertise. Anne McClain, for example, joined a team of astronauts and engineers to practice exiting the SpaceX Crew Dragon mockup through the top hatch as well as using the side hatch. The work is common in assessing spacecraft design.
Boeing completed a set of trainers in late April that will be a cornerstone of astronaut and crew training throughout the CST-100 Starliner's life. Paired with instructor stations, the trainers are complex simulators outfitted with controls like those on real Starliners and designed to perform for the astronauts just as the spacecraft will in flight. The trainers will be housed in Building 5 at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. The company also is constructing a full-size mission simulator identical to a Starliner flight deck. It also will be fully integrated with NASA's Mission Control Center simulators at Johnson, Boeing's Space Training, Analysis, and Review Facility in Houston, also known as STAR, and International Space Station simulator to allow full mission practices for the astronauts, as well as launch and mission instructors and flight controllers.
SpaceX expects its spacesuit design to go through qualification testing this year and be ready for use in 2017. Just as with the spacecraft, the numerous components for the suits will be tested separately and then as a complete unit to make sure they will work as needed during a mission, potentially saving an astronaut in an unlikely emergency scenario. 
Although launch systems and orbital operations get a substantial amount of review and oversight, the landing phases of the missions and abort scenarios also undergo intense scrutiny.
While the development work focuses on the spacecraft, rockets, and ground systems, there also are important steps being taken in space wh ere astronauts continue to live and work daily on the space station. The space station advances scientific knowledge in Earth, space, physical and biological sciences for the benefits of people living on our home planet. These new spacecraft will be able to carry up-to four astronauts to the station, bringing the crew size to seven. This will allow the crew to double the amount of time they have to conduct microgravity research.
Working outside the station during spacewalks, astronauts have routed more than 800 feet of cable along the station complex to provide power and data to the commercial crew spacecraft when they are docked at the orbiting laboratory. Next month, a cargo resupply mission is scheduled to deliver an International Docking Adapter, built by Boeing and launched by SpaceX, to the space station wh ere it will be connected to a port so both Starliners or Crew Dragons can dock with the orbiting laboratory. The connection of the docking adapter will require at least one more spacewalk this summer. A second adapter will be delivered and connected to the station on a future SpaceX cargo resupply mission.
The station crew also activated one of the two radios they will use to talk to the astronauts inside the Commercial Crew spacecraft as they near the orbiting laboratory. The communications will be vital to tracking the progress of rendezvous and docking operations along with the flight of the two spacecraft when they are near each other.
The astronauts who fly into orbit aboard commercial crew spacecraft will do so in the seats of the most automated ships built for crew thus far. But even with those expectations, the teams of engineers and potential crew members are working hard to operate the systems efficiently and be able to take over effectively if manual control is needed.




The SpaceX parachute system for its Crew Dragon spacecraft is evaluated in drop tests.
Credits: SpaceX
 

Astronaut Suni Williams evaluates Starliner control systems using a part-task trainer that simulates aspects of flight for the Boeing-made spacecraft.
Credits: NASA/Dimitri Gerondidakis
 

Astronauts Bob Behnken and Eric Boe work with Mission Control teams in a simulation of mission operations for a Starliner flight.
Credits: NASA
 

SpaceX is modifying Launch Complex 39A at Kennedy Space Center to transform the former shuttle launch pad for use by Crew Dragon spacecraft that will launch into orbit on Falcon 9 rockets.
Credits: NASa/Dimitri Gerondidakis
 

Boeing and United Launch Alliance constructed a Crew Access Tower at Space Launch Complex 41 to give astronauts access to the Starliner spacecraft as it stands atop an Atlas V rocket for liftoff.
Credits: NASA/Charles Bake
 

A mockup of Boeing's CST-100 Starliner splashes into a water tank at NASA's Langley Research Center in Virginia during landing system testing.
Credits: NASA Langley

[Александр]

silentpom пишет:
с 1 июня я смогу высказать про CTS-100 все что думаю. пока нельзя

ну и?

[silentpom]

ну как бы я не удивлюсь, если они еще какие-то сроки продинамят или сорвут вообще все к чертям. старые фирмы уже не годны ни на что

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Eric Berger Подлинная учетная запись ‏@SciGuySpace  
The consoles of Starliner (left) and Dragon v2 seem to reflect the digital divide between traditional and new space.
 
  14:39 - 22 июн. 2016 г.