CST-100

[Apollo13]

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/715552131323994115

[Salo]

Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust  
Elbon: crewed test flight of CST-100 planned for December 2017; would then be ready to start regular service in 2018. #32SS
  7:38 - 12 апр. 2016 г.  

[Salo]

Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust 6 ч.6 часов назад
At Boeing #32SS briefing, John Elbon says CST-100 remains on schedule, working through mass and aeroacouistics challenges.
 
  Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust  6 ч.6 часов назад  
Elbon: CST-100 has 7-seat capacity, but will be configured for 5. Four for ISS crew; fifth seat could be used for cargo or tourists. #32SS

[Salo]

ULA's Role in the Commercial Crew Program

[silentpom]

вопрос, а двухмоторную дельта аппер стейдж делать не будут?

[Apollo13]

Дельта уже почти отлеталась. А ACES может и четырехмоторный будет, если RL-10 или XCOR выберут.

[Salo]

https://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/2016/05/10/astronaut-visits-starliner-component-makers-in-california/

Astronaut Visits Starliner Component Makers in California
Posted on May 10, 2016 at 3:28 pm by Steven Siceloff.

Veteran astronaut Megan McArthur toured two of the companies building components for Boeing's CST-100 Starliner spacecraft recently and met with some of the employees who are designing and making sensors and circuit boards the spacecraft and its crews will rely on to steer precisely to the International Space Station. She was joined by Chris Ferguson, a former space shuttle commander who is now Boeing's director of Crew and Mission Operations for Commercial Crew. Boeing is one of two companies under contract with NASA's Commercial Crew Program to develop spacecraft systems to take astronauts to the space station. The missions will enhance research by increasing the number of crew members aboard the orbiting laboratory.
McArthur, who flew as a mission specialist on STS-125 and captured the Hubble Space Telescope with the shuttle's robotic arm, visited Advanced Scientific Concepts in Santa Barbara, California, on April 7 where she surveyed the 3D Flash Light Detection and Ranging sensors the company is making. The LIDAR gear will let Starliner crews see the station in all conditions in space during a mission. The next day, McArthur visited Qual-Pro Corp in Gardena, California, where engineers are making the circuit boards that will allow Starliner systems to communicate with each other.
"It's never about the individual or just the crew members who are in space," McArthur said. "It's always about the team of folks who are getting us ready to fly, who are getting the hardware ready to fly and keeping us safe while we're up there. It's not something we can ever succeed at by ourselves." 

[Salo]

http://www.geekwire.com/2016/boeing-starliner-schedule-astronauts-slips-2018/

Boeing's Starliner schedule for sending astronauts into orbit slips to 2018
by Alan Boyle on May 11, 2016 at 4:18 pm

The hull of a CST-100 Starliner structural test vehicle is assembled inside Boeing's Commercial Crew and Cargo Processing Facility at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. (Credit: NASA)

A top Boeing executive said today that the company plans to start sending crews into orbit aboard its CST-100 Starliner space taxi in 2018, which represents a slight delay in NASA's previous development schedule.
"We're working toward our first unmanned flight in 2017, followed by a manned astronaut flight in 2018," Leanne Caret, who is Boeing's executive vice president as well as president and chief executive officer of Boeing's defense, space and security division, said at a briefing for investors.
Previously, Boeing said both test flights, uncrewed and crewed, were scheduled for 2017. Just this week, Aviation Week reported that Boeing was sticking to the 2017 schedule, even though it's been working through challenges related to the mass of the spacecraft and aeroacoustic issues related to integration with its United Launch Alliance Atlas 5 launch vehicle.
In a follow-up to Caret's comments, Boeing spokeswoman Rebecca Regan told GeekWire that those factors contributed to the schedule slip. In addition, NASA software updates have added more work for developers.



Boeing and SpaceX are building spacecraft to transport astronauts to and from the space station for NASA, under the terms of $6.8 billion in contracts that were awarded in 2014. Boeing was allotted $4.2 billion to work on the Starliner, while SpaceX is getting $2.6 billion to upgrade its Dragon cargo capsule to carry astronauts.
Each space taxi is designed to carry up to seven astronauts plus cargo, at a cost that's less than the $81 million per seat that the Russians are charging for trips on Soyuz capsules. A smaller crew is expected to fly on the initial missions.
SpaceX conducted a pad abort test of its Crew Dragon (a.k.a. Dragon V2) a year ago. An uncrewed test flight is planned during the first half of 2017, followed by an in-flight abort test and a crewed Dragon flight to the space station later in the year.
This month, Boeing's team bolted together a structural test version of the Starliner, which will be used to make sure the spacecraft can stand up to the rigors of spaceflight. Astronauts are already training on Starliner flight simulators, and components for the first flight vehicle will soon be put together inside Boeing's processing facility at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida.



For Boeing to shift its crewed test flight from 2017 to 2018 isn't as much of a slip as it might sound: The company's earlier schedule had called for the visit to the space station to take place in mid-December.
However, if both companies stick to their stated schedules, SpaceX would become the first U.S. commercial venture to send astronauts to the space station – and as a result would take possession of a highly prized trophy: a U.S. flag that was left aboard the station by the last space shuttle crew in 2011.

[Salo]

http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2016/05/boeing-starliner-delayed-2018/

Boeing's first crewed Starliner space launch slips to 2018  
The delay means only SpaceX can wean NASA off Russian transportation by next year.  
  Eric Berger
 5/12/2016, 12:42 PM
 
 Boeing Defense
   
NASA has pinpointed next year as the time when its dependence upon Russia to fly its astronauts to the International Space Station will finally end. However, one of the two companies now slated to provide that service, Boeing, has said it will not be able to launch a crewed mission of its Starliner spacecraft until 2018 at the earliest.
In a report that first appeared in GeekWire, chief executive officer of Boeing's defense, space and security division, Leanne Caret, told investors: "We're working toward our first unmanned flight in 2017, followed by a manned astronaut flight in 2018." The company has been struggling to limit the mass of the spacecraft and acoustic issues related to its launch vehicle, a United Launch Alliance Atlas 5 rocket.
After an intense competition with other providers, Boeing received $4.2 billion in 2014 to finalize development of the Starliner capsule, and SpaceX received $2.6 billion to finish development of its Dragon capsule. A spokesman for SpaceX told Ars Wednesday night that the company remains on track for crewed missions in 2017.
NASA has had to rely on Russian Soyuz spacecraft to deliver its astronauts to the space station since the summer of 2011, when the space shuttle retired. The space agency's administrator, Charles Bolden, has criticized Congress for consistently under-funding its commercial crew program since the shuttle stopped flying. This has already delayed the launch of Boeing and SpaceX vehicles from 2015 to 2017.
The Russians have been reliable partners to NASA in the space station program, but they have steadily increased the price of a seat, from less than $50 million several years ago to more than $81.7 million in future years. As a hedge against the possibility of delays, NASA signed a $490-million deal with Russia last year, which would procure six more seats in 2018 and early 2019.

[Apollo13]

http://spacenews.com/boeing-delays-first-crewed-cst-100-flight-to-2018/

Boeing delays first crewed CST-100 flight to 2018

by Jeff Foust — May 12, 2016



Artist's concept of Boeing's CST-100 Starliner capsule approaching the International Space Station. Credit: NASA/Boeing


WASHINGTON — Boeing has delayed the first crewed flight of its CST-100 Starliner commercial crew vehicle until early 2018, later than NASA's original deadline, because of a series of technical issues and new requirements that the company argues are typical for an aerospace development program.
The current development schedule, Boeing spokeswoman Rebecca Regan said May 12, calls for a pad abort test of the spacecraft's launch abort system in October 2017. That will be followed by an uncrewed orbital test flight of the spacecraft in December 2017. A crewed flight, carrying one NASA astronaut and one Boeing test pilot to the International Space Station, is now scheduled for February 2018.
Those milestones are several months later than what Boeing and NASA previously planned. A NASA chart listing milestones for its Commercial Crew Transportation Capability (CCtCap) contracts, dated November 2015 and presented at a March 2 meeting of the NASA Advisory Council's human exploration and operations committee, had the uncrewed CST-100 test flight scheduled for June 2017 and the crewed test flight in October 2017.
Regan said that several factors contributed to the new schedule, which Boeing recently presented to NASA. One issue was reducing the spacecraft's mass. "It's typical of any development program," she said of that work, adding that the mass was now "in the box."
A second issue is aerodynamics issues during launch and ascent of the CST-100 on an Atlas 5. Regan said Boeing has developed a "really viable option" for dealing with pressure on the spacecraft and launch vehicle, and plans to test it in a wind tunnel soon.
A final factor, she said, was that NASA gave Boeing additional software requirements for the spacecraft, which requires about three months of work to complete. "A combination of those things contributed to the revised schedule," she said.
The revised schedule, including the slip of the first crewed mission to 2018, came to light in comments by Leanne Caret, Boeing executive vice president and head of the company's defense, space and security division, at a company investor conference May 11 in Seattle. "We're working towards our first unmanned flight in 2017 followed by a manned astronaut flight in 2018," she said. Previously, Boeing had indicated it planned to carry out that initial crewed flight before the end of 2017, although she made no explicit mention of a delay.
Caret added that even with the revised schedule, Boeing still hoped to be the first company to fly its commercial crew vehicle. "It is our vision that the CST-100 will be the first of the new American capsules to take astronauts to space," she said.
However, even before the latest delay, Boeing's schedule was behind that of the other company with a CCtCap contract, SpaceX. The same milestone chart presented at the March NASA Advisory Council committee meeting listed an uncrewed flight of SpaceX's Crew Dragon spacecraft in December 2016, followed by a crewed flight test in April 2017.
NASA spokeswoman Stephanie Martin said May 12 that NASA had not yet updated the schedule of CCtCap milestones for the two companies since the one presented in March. Boeing, she said, has completed 13 milestones to date, and SpaceX has completed 8. SpaceX did not respond to a May 12 request for an update about that schedule.
Regan said it was an "aspiration" for Boeing to be the first U.S. company to fly a crewed spacecraft to the ISS, in part because the company is the prime contractor for the station. "There's a lot of pride at Boeing to do that," she said, but added the company prioritized safety over schedule.
Although the CST-100 flight test schedule is delayed, Boeing is emphasizing the progress it is making on the overall program. The company announced May 11 it had mated the two parts of a structural test article of the spacecraft. That test article will soon be shipped to a Boeing facility in California for environmental and other tests.
The revised schedule means Boeing won't meet NASA's goal of being certified by the end of 2017. That certification, which allows the company to perform crew transportation missions to and fr om the station, requires a final review after the crewed test flight to the station. In the scheduled NASA presented in March, that certification review for Boeing was scheduled for late November 2016.
That delay could raise new questions from Congress about the commercial crew program. In contrast to previous years, wh ere it was a hot topic in congressional hearings, the program rarely came up during House and Senate hearings about NASA's fiscal year 2017 budget request. A spending bill approved by the Senate Appropriations Committee April 21 provided the program with $1.18 billion, the amount requested by NASA.
The report accompanying the bill, though, indicated some skepticism about schedules even before this latest delay. "Both companies now anticipate completing contracted milestones on a delayed schedule, closer to the anticipated launch dates, compressing already aggressive and optimistic schedules," the report stated. "This leaves little margin for either provider to maintain schedule as unanticipated challenges emerge during vehicle production and testing."

Не смотря на сдвиг первого пилотируемого полета на февраль 2018 в Боинг считают, что они будут первыми.

[Quооndo]

С одной стороны жаль конечно. С другой стороны нельзя не порадоваться за наш Союз, продолжающий и дальше таскать на орбиту американских и европейских астронавтов. Скорее всего это приведет к дальнейшим контрактам НАСА с Роскосмосом на перевозку астронавтов до 2019-20 гг. А с учетом того, что Боинг считает, что будет первым, данные задержки не избежит и Маск. Таким образом можно сказать, что Союз практически десятилетие таскает космонавтов на орбиту в одиночку начиная с 2011 г. и практически половину срока службы станции делает это только он один. А если даже в 2018 г. и состоятся тестовые полеты с астронавтами у Боинга и Маска - это не означает, что американцы начнут регулярные экспедиции к МКС в 2019 г.

[Валерий Жилинский]

Apollo13 пишет:
Не смотря на сдвиг первого пилотируемого полета на февраль 2018 в Боинг считают, что они будут первыми.

Пусть считает.

Quооndo пишет:
А с учетом того, что Боинг считает, что будет первым, данные задержки не избежит и Маск.

Поживём - увидим.

[Андрей Иванов]

Чему надо срочно учится у американцев это качеству подачи информации о своих возможных планах и мечтах...
Особенно в рисование красочных компьютерных мультфильмов о том как быстро и далеко они полетят в космос.
В виртуальный век, красочно разрисованные планы растиражированные в интернете, приносят порой пользы не меньше, чем реальные успехи.
 

[Василий Ратников]

Андрей Иванов пишет:
В виртуальный век, красочно разрисованные планы растиражированные в интернете, приносят порой пользы не меньше, чем реальные успехи

Пропаганда тогда работает когда базируется на правде (хотя бы частично) и прошлых успехах.
 
Например планы про базу на луне в 2015 никакой пользы не принесли, ибо кроме контуженных ура-патриотов никто в эти бредни не верил.
Урок номер раз - правдоподобие.
 
Репутация и прошлые успехи - когда нам говорят наше все это марс, нет луна, нет не луна. То в этой чехарде планов и их отмен репутация пустых трепачей. И любые красивые картинки от этих людей кроме ржача не вызывают, и расходятся на демотиваторы "ну тупые".
Урок номер два - репутация.
 
У Боинга с CST-100 все вроде не плохо, есть ощущение реальности сроков +пару лет задержки, есть репутация крупного производителя спутников, РН Дельта чей вариант на пока самая мощный из летающих. По этому их картинки имеют эффект. А картинки от создателей Фобос-в-грунт и групповых запусков глонассов подводу не особо. Как это полечить ? Легко 1) реальные пусть и не большие успехи. 2) реальность обещания +-лапоть 3) последовательность обещаний.

[triage]

Андрей Иванов пишет:
Чему надо срочно учится у американцев это качеству подачи информации о своих возможных планах и мечтах...
Особенно в рисование красочных компьютерных мультфильмов о том как быстро и далеко они полетят в космос.
В виртуальный век, красочно разрисованные планы растиражированные в интернете, приносят порой пользы не меньше, чем реальные успехи.

учится надо "качеству подачи информации" по реальным событиям.

[Василий Ратников]

pnetmon,  интернет бойцы свои бои с дивана ведут в виртуальном пространстве слил-не-слил. Из за этого у них повреждается мозг и они начинают оценивать победы в реальном мире по "троллингу" "сливам" "демотиваторам".

Как пример как они радовали речам свиномордого про батут -"ыыыы уел ненавистных пиндосов"
А в реальной жизни что ?
Мы как продавали так и продаем "ненавистным пиндосам" РД-180 и они свое спутники слежения за нами запускают.
В США у сторонников SpX появились козыри, а ВВС и УЛА оказались в луже.
Была резко ускорена программа двигателезамещения.
 
Но у идиотов радости полные штаны "как наш то знатно потролил !".

Вот они и мечтают о всеобщей победе в виртуальности путем правильного рендеренга роликов на пиндоский ютуб как ракеты от роскосмоса покоряют вселенную.

[SFN]

Вы бы  ругаться подзаборно перестали бы. Все же не в кабаке а в приличном месте.

[silentpom]

с 1 июня я смогу высказать про CTS-100 все что думаю. пока нельзя

[Старый]

silentpom пишет:
с 1 июня я смогу высказать про CTS-100 все что думаю. пока нельзя

Заинтриговал...

[Alex_II]

silentpom пишет:
с 1 июня я смогу высказать про CTS-100 все что думаю. пока нельзя

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