Вопросы о Лунных Кораблях 11Ф94

[m-s Gelezniak]

что в МАИ были ещё комплектующие к ЛК, в том числе нерезанный блок Е.

Чё-то я этого не припомню......

За что купил...

[Johannes]

One of the units in the rear instrument compartment bears the label "S300". Is this the digital on-board computer which was part of the automatic control system? For example, early on-board computers developed by NII AP are called P-339, S-330, and S-530 [1]. However, the instrument looks more similar to a gyroscope unit.

[David Lee Rickman]

I don't yet know the placement of the on-board digital computer, but this  definitely looks like the three-axis gyroscopic unit.

[Johannes]

I don't yet know the placement of the on-board digital computer, but this  definitely looks like the three-axis gyroscopic unit.

Yes, it is probably the gyroscope unit. The black box on the left side could be the on-board computer (if it was there at all). I surmise that different units of the control system have got a S-XXX number.

[David Lee Rickman]

Hello Comrades!

A new question about an item noticed in the Mozhayskogo  LK Cabin:



What is this???

Best Regards,

David L. Rickman

[Petrovich]

Respected Comrades!

Is there someone here who has access to, and can scan three images from the August issue of Radio?



I need to get photo 2 on page 8, and photo 3 on page 9 scanned at 300 dpi. I have these on DjVu but the quality of the images is terrible. These are the first images I have seen of the "Planeta" radars which preceded the models used on the Lunniy Korabl. One of them is shown attached to the Mi-6 helicopter used to simulate landing on the Lunar surface.

Как бывший радиолюбитель, иногда покупаю журнал...
Как просили 300 dpi .
А статью целиком - чтоб и остальные почитали  

[David Lee Rickman]

Respected Comrades!

Is there someone here who has access to, and can scan three images from the August issue of Radio?
...

I need to get photo 2 on page 8, and photo 3 on page 9 scanned at 300 dpi. I have these on DjVu but the quality of the images is terrible. These are the first images I have seen of the "Planeta" radars which preceded the models used on the Lunniy Korabl. One of them is shown attached to the Mi-6 helicopter used to simulate landing on the Lunar surface.

Как бывший радиолюбитель, иногда покупаю журнал...
Как просили 300 dpi .
А статью целиком - чтоб и остальные почитали  

...

Thank you my friend, comrade, and fellow modeling enthusiast, Petrovich!!! These are excellent!!

"You DA MAN!!!"

Very Best Regards!

David L. Rickman

[Дмитрий Тарасов]

А статью целиком - чтоб и остальные почитали  

Эта статья есть на сайте журнала: ftp://ftp.radio.ru/pub/2011/08/8.pdf

[David Lee Rickman]

The next question I have ask before, but have not received an answer, so I will try again here:

There are two different configurations of the Orientation Engine Block. On the five Lunniy Korabl that exist, two have one type, and two have the second type (with the fifth LK having neither :? ).



 The design on the left is seen in every LK diagram I have found, but the design on the right is very different. Why are there two types? Two guesses would be that the one on the right is more advanced, or the one on the right was used in the T2K.

But, I also have two images showing (what appear to be) the final LK configuration. And one of them has one type, and the other has the second type.

Does anybody have a definite answer?

Thanks again!

David L. Rickman

[David Lee Rickman]

One of the units in the rear instrument compartment bears the label "S300". Is this the digital on-board computer which was part of the automatic control system? For example, early on-board computers developed by NII AP are called P-339, S-330, and S-530 [1]. However, the instrument looks more similar to a gyroscope unit.

I found this reference in Brian Harvey's Soviet and Russian Lunar Exploration, "To land the LK, the cosmonaut had a computer-assisted set of controls, the first carried on a Soviet manned spacecraft. The S-330 computer was a sophisticated digital machine, linking the cosmonaut's commands to the landers' gyroscopes, gyrostabilized platform and radio locator, with three independent channels working in parallel."

The LK at MAI seems to be an earlier model, and may have been using the S-300 at the time it was being tested. But the bottom line is I think you found that system!

Congratulations!

Best Regards,

David L. Rickman

[Shin]

Hello Comrades!

A new question about an item noticed in the Mozhayskogo  LK Cabin:

What is this???

Возможно это относится к системе заправки скафандра? Скорей всего.

[Shin]

The next question I have ask before, but have not received an answer, so I will try again here:

There are two different configurations of the Orientation Engine Block. On the five Lunniy Korabl that exist, two have one type, and two have the second type (with the fifth LK having neither :? ).

 The design on the left is seen in every LK diagram I have found, but the design on the right is very different. Why are there two types? Two guesses would be that the one on the right is more advanced, or the one on the right was used in the T2K.

But, I also have two images showing (what appear to be) the final LK configuration. And one of them has one type, and the other has the second type.

Does anybody have a definite answer?

По моему мнению, левая сборка и есть финальная... На ней стыковочное устройство ("вафельница"   ) , а на правой - лишь макет. Да и левая конструкция выглядит как-то лучше проработанной...
Предположение такое - правая - это либо макет для испытаний, либо, действительно, от Т2К...

[David Lee Rickman]

The next question I have ask before, but have not received an answer, so I will try again here:

There are two different configurations of the Orientation Engine Block. On the five Lunniy Korabl that exist, two have one type, and two have the second type (with the fifth LK having neither :? ).

 The design on the left is seen in every LK diagram I have found, but the design on the right is very different. Why are there two types? Two guesses would be that the one on the right is more advanced, or the one on the right was used in the T2K.

But, I also have two images showing (what appear to be) the final LK configuration. And one of them has one type, and the other has the second type.

Does anybody have a definite answer?

По моему мнению, левая сборка и есть финальная... На ней стыковочное устройство ("вафельница"   ) , а на правой - лишь макет. Да и левая конструкция выглядит как-то лучше проработанной...
Предположение такое - правая - это либо макет для испытаний, либо, действительно, от Т2К...

Thank you! I believe this is correct., and it is what I will go with on my design. The "Waffle cones"only seem hard to reproduce. This will take a little time and a degree of patience, but it will get done, and it will look good!


David L. Rickman :wink:

[m-s Gelezniak]

Hello Comrades!

A new question about an item noticed in the Mozhayskogo  LK Cabin:

What is this???

Возможно это относится к системе заправки скафандра? Скорей всего.

Олег. На трубках цветовая маркировка газа (жидкости).

[m-s Gelezniak]

Ещё просьба (если возможно). Стенка приборного отсека, обращённого в кабину.

[David Lee Rickman]

Hello Comrades!

A new question about an item noticed in the Mozhayskogo  LK Cabin:

What is this???

Возможно это относится к системе заправки скафандра? Скорей всего.

Thank you, Oleg!!!

[Johannes]

I found this reference in Brian Harvey's Soviet and Russian Lunar Exploration, "To land the LK, the cosmonaut had a computer-assisted set of controls, the first carried on a Soviet manned spacecraft. The S-330 computer was a sophisticated digital machine, linking the cosmonaut's commands to the landers' gyroscopes, gyrostabilized platform and radio locator, with three independent channels working in parallel."

The LK at MAI seems to be an earlier model, and may have been using the S-300 at the time it was being tested.

Thank you for pointing out this reference. It is also possible that the S300 unit is only an interface between the gyroscope unit and the S330 on-board computer.

Does anyone have access to a copy of NPTs AP's 45th Anniversary book, Штурманы ракет, Общ. ред. Межирицкий Е.Л. - Москва: БЛОК-Информ-Экспресс, 2008. I assume that this book contains detailed information about the on-board computing systems developed by NPTs AP.

[Старый]

А это часом не просто клапан наддува кабины после выхода? С ручным и дистанцирнным управлением?

[Штуцер]

Для управления в скафандре переключатель сделали бы покрупнее, ИМХО.

[David Lee Rickman]

A couple of new questions. The first one is a "What is this?" question.





Look at that rectangular part that seems to be there to cover the electrical cable junction area, but it would be blocking them in it's present position:

And the second question: is this the frame used to hold the two batteries that give power to the Lunar Cabin after separation from the LPU? There are no batteries, but it looks like it could perform this function.





Any guesses on the first question, or opinions on the second one?

Best Always,

David L. Rickman