NASA/SpaceX Red Dragon mission

[Max Andriyahov]

Так прикольно читать комментарии двухлетней давности))) 

[Apollo13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqLzoF3CeoI&feature=youtu.be

[knezevolk]

NASA Has Payloads List For SpaceX Red Dragon

NASA is ready to help Elon Musk land a Dragon capsule on Mars and is taking a wait-and-see approach to sending its own expensive instruments along with it. The U.S. space agency has an internal list of potential scientific payloads for the "Red Dragon" mission the SpaceX founder and his engineers hope to launch in 2018. NASA is ready to spend "on the order of $30 million" to assist that first private mission to Mars. Landing NASA's own stuff inside the capsule ...

http://aviationweek.com/orbit/nasa-has-payloads-list-spacex-red-dragon

[Salo]

[Salo]

Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust  4 ч.4 часа назад
Reuter: Red Dragon landing on Mars should be able to carry a "decent" payload; no specific numbers, though.
 
  Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust  4 ч.4 часа назад  
Reuter: while this effort is of very high interest to SpaceX, it's lower priority than comm'l crew work and other paying customers.
 
  Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust  4 ч.4 часа назад  
Reuter: SpaceX's contribution to Red Dragon costs "in the ballpark" of 10-to-1 compared to NASA's costs.
 
  Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust  4 ч.4 часа назад  
Reuter says SpaceX has an "extremely aggressive" schedule to make a May 2018 launch, as currently planned.
 
  Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust  4 ч.4 часа назад  
Reuter: if NASA did Mars entry, descent and landing tech demo alone, likely would not fly until a decade or more after Red Dragon.
 
  Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust  4 ч.4 часа назад  
NASA's Jim Reuter, at NAC technology meeting, says NASA estimates spending $32M over 4 years to support SpaceX Red Dragon partnership.

[Salo]

http://spacenews.com/spacex-spending-about-300-million-on-red-dragon-mission/

SpaceX estimated to spend $300 million on Red Dragon mission
by Jeff Foust — July 27, 2016
 
SpaceX's "Red Dragon" concept envisions using a Dragon spacecraft with only minor modification to land on the surface of Mars as a precursor to later human missions. Credit: SpaceX  
 
WASHINGTON — NASA estimates that SpaceX is spending on the order of $300 million on its Red Dragon Mars lander mission, a down payment on the company's long-term ambitions for human Mars missions.
At a meeting of the NASA Advisory Council's technology committee in Cleveland July 26, Jim Reuter, deputy associate administrator for programs in NASA's space technology mission directorate, provided an overview of NASA's agreement with SpaceX, announced in April, to support that company's plans for an uncrewed Mars landing mission that could launch as soon as May 2018.
That agreement, in the form of an unfunded Space Act Agreement, does not include any exchange of funds between NASA and SpaceX. Reuter said NASA estimates it will spend approximately $32 million over four years, primarily in the form of NASA personnel providing technical support for SpaceX. About $6 million of that will be spent this fiscal year, he added.
Asked by the committee how much SpaceX was spending, Reuter indicated that the company's investment was 10 times that of NASA. "They did talk to us about a 10-to-1 arrangement in terms of cost: theirs 10, ours 1," he said. "I think that's in the ballpark." Given NASA's investment, that implies SpaceX is spending around $300 million on Red Dragon.
SpaceX has not disclosed its estimated cost of the mission, or how it will pay for it. "I have no knowledge" of how the company is financing the mission, Reuter said when asked by the committee.
Reuter also provided some additional technical details about the mission. The Red Dragon spacecraft, launched on a Falcon Heavy, will be based on the Crew Dragon spacecraft SpaceX is developing for NASA's commercial crew program. Much of the capsule's interior will be stripped out, including displays and environmental controls not needed for the mission. The unpressurized trunk section attached to the capsule will have "more substantial" modifications, he said, primarily in the form of solar array placement and thermal controls.
NASA is providing expertise in several areas to support the Red Dragon mission. The agency has already provided landing site selection advice and engineering support, he said. Other support ranges from consultation on planetary protection protocols for the mission to the use of the Deep Space Network for communications with the spacecraft.
NASA made this investment into supporting Red Dragon because it concluded the mission appeared feasible. "We determined there was a reasonable likelihood of their concept being a successful mission," he said. "We thought our expertise would enhance that."
In return, NASA will gain access to data SpaceX collects during its landing attempt, which will use a technique called supersonic retropropulsion that the agency has identified as a key means to allow the landing of larger spacecraft on the surface of Mars. While NASA has landed spacecraft weighing about one ton on Mars, Reuter said Red Dragon will weigh 8 to 10 tons at landing.
An alternative to Red Dragon, Reuter suggested, would be for NASA to fly its own technology demonstration mission to show how well supersonic retropropulsion works. "In this case, it would be the late 2020s or early 2030s" before such a mission would fly, he said. Data from Red Dragon could come a decade sooner and help inform NASA decisions expected around 2020 on its architecture for human Mars missions.
That assumes, however, that Red Dragon will launch as planned in May 2018, something Reuter sounded skeptical about. "That's an extremely aggressive schedule," he said. The agreement with SpaceX, he said, does include milestones to allow NASA to judge how well the company is sticking to that schedule, starting with a "system mission discussion" near the end of this year.
Reuter said that SpaceX has indicated that its Red Dragon work is a lower priority for the company than its other missions for paying customers. "Their first priority is ISS crew, the next priority is to meet all their other commitments for launch services," he said. "This comes after that."
Red Dragon is, for SpaceX, only the first in a series of missions as part of the company's long-term plans for human expeditions to, and settlement of, Mars. Elon Musk, the founder and chief executive of SpaceX, said at a conference last month that he plans to send missions on "every Mars opportunity from 2018 onwards," a reference to the launch windows that open every 26 months.
The first human mission, Musk said then, could launch as soon as 2024, landing on Mars in 2025. Musk plans to disclose details about his Mars mission architecture in a September presentation at the International Astronautical Congress in Guadalajara, Mexico.
Reuter said there have been no talks with SpaceX about any NASA role on the company's Mars plans beyond cooperation on Red Dragon. "We've not had any discussions at all with them on that," he said.

[Валерий Жилинский]

Если SpaceX сможет доставить на Марс две тонны ПН всего за триста миллионов, то для исследований Марса, действительно, начнётся новая эпоха. Роверы могут быть значительно мощнее, их возможности значительно увеличиваются. Становится возможным бурение и возврат марсианского грунта на Землю.
  
Не забываем, это ещё только Фалькон Хэви. А следующая итерация - это уже десятки/сотни тонн на Марсе.

[silentpom]

Сколько минимальный взлетный вес аппарата для доставки груза с марса на землю?

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Валерий Жилинский пишет:
Если SpaceX сможет доставить на Марс две тонны ПН всего за триста миллионов

Не сможет. И не собирается за эту сумму - читайте внимательнее текст выше. Такие развлечения стоят примерно на порядок больше.

[bopa]

http://www.spacenewsmag.com/feature/why-nasa-is-hitching-a-ride-on-red-dragon/

[Валерий Жилинский]

SOE пишет:

Валерий Жилинский пишет:
Если SpaceX сможет доставить на Марс две тонны ПН всего за триста миллионов

Не сможет. И не собирается за эту сумму - читайте внимательнее текст выше. Такие развлечения стоят примерно на порядок больше.

Простите, но тогда что написано вот в этом отрывке:
 

That agreement, in the form of an unfunded Space Act Agreement, does not include any exchange of funds between NASA and SpaceX. Reuter said NASA estimates it will spend approximately $32 million over four years, primarily in the form of NASA personnel providing technical support for SpaceX. About $6 million of that will be spent this fiscal year, he added.
Asked by the committee how much SpaceX was spending, Reuter indicated that the company's investment was 10 times that of NASA. "They did talk to us about a 10-to-1 arrangement in terms of cost: theirs 10, ours 1," he said. "I think that's in the ballpark." Given NASA's investment, that implies SpaceX is spending around $300 million on Red Dragon.

На сколько я понимаю, по данным НАСА, SpaceX потратит на Red Dragon примерно в десять раз больше, чем НАСА, а НАСА потратит 32 миллиона в течении четырёх лет. То есть всего на эту мисси будет потрачено 300-350 миллионов долларов.
   
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Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust  5 ч.5 часов назад  
Tripathi: SpaceX plans to launch Red Dragon missions at every opportunity. Think of it as a bus that can carry various payloads. #AIAASpace

[Quооndo]

Вообще непонятно что они хотят делать с красным Дрэгоном и зачем нужна эта вся затея. Ценник огромный что возить зачем и куда не понятно, так как нет экономической эффективности. Просто похоже на какое-то развлечение.

[Salo]

http://spaceref.com/calendar/calendar.html?pid=9300

NASA FISO Telecon: NASA Collaboration with SpaceX's Red Dragon Mission

Category: Aeronautics and Astronautics          
Event Format: Teleconference
Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2016          
Location: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center 8800 Greenbelt Road, Greenbelt, MD US
          
The next Future In-Space Operations (FISO) colloquium will be Wednesday, September 21, when we will host Philip McAlister (NASA HQ), who will speak on "NASA Collaboration with SpaceX's Red Dragon Mission."
As always, the colloquium will be at 3pm ET. And please note that there is a new dial-in number for the colloquium as NASA has migrated to a new service: TEL: 844 467 4685 PC: 442398
We have expanded our mailing list to include more people who have been associated with the FISO telecon, so you may be getting these e-mails for the first time. If you would rather not get these notification e-mails, or need to change your e-mail address, please just drop a line to Harley Thronson ( harley.a.thronson@nasa.gov  ), Dan Lester ( dfl@astro.as.utexas.edu  ) or Dan Dumbacher ( dandumbacher@purdue.edu  ) or just fiso-owner@lists.nasa.gov . Of course, our FISO Telecon home page http://spirit.as.utexas.edu/~fiso/telecon.htm  always has the upcoming schedule
The University of Texas-hosted home page for FISO colloquium materials, http://spirit.as.utexas.edu/~fiso/telecon.cgi  (or http://spirit.as.utexas.edu/~fiso/telecon.htm  ), has over the years been released to social media and as result it has been getting a flood of somewhat anti-social attacks by bots that want to harvest the invitation-only data on it.
A bot-control algorithm has been instituted that will test whether you are human before letting you in. We appreciate your patience.
If invited participants are having difficulties in connecting with the FISO server, please contact co-chair Dr. Dan Lester ( dfl@astro.as.utexas.edu  ), ideally with your IPv4 IP address ( http://ipv4.whatismyv6.com/  ).
Please note that the colloquia are being audio recorded and the recordings are being archived with the presentation materials.
          
Web Site Address: http://spirit.as.utexas.edu/~fiso/telecon.htm
          Contact Email Address: < harley.a.thronson@nasa.gov >

[V.B.]

Quооndo пишет:
Вообще непонятно что они хотят делать с красным Дрэгоном и зачем нужна эта вся затея. Ценник огромный что возить зачем и куда не понятно, так как нет экономической эффективности. Просто похоже на какое-то развлечение.

Через 10 дней Маск про МСТ расскажет, вы вообще оху... ой, виноват... будете ошарашены!

[Quооndo]

V.B. пишет:
Через 10 дней Маск про МСТ расскажет, вы вообще оху... ой, виноват... будете ошарашены!

Да я только за. У меня нет пока такой информации. Все пока выглядит достаточно банально и просто. Ничего сверхкосмического не предвидеться. Людей на нем не повезешь.

[V.B.]

На чем не повезешь? На МСТ???

[Quооndo]

V.B. пишет:
На чем не повезешь? На МСТ???

На Красном Дрэгоне)

[Alex_II]

Quооndo пишет:
На Красном Дрэгоне)

А кто-то обещал?