Phoenix Mars Lander

[В А Д И М]

Интересно, а Феникс сможет ожить в следующем году ?

это зависит только от размеров выделяемого бюджета   :?

[SAV]

Жаль, весну посмотреть не удастся. Если и Феникс и возродится из льда, то уже, наверно, ближе к лету.

[Salo]

http://cybersecurity.ru/space/56279.html

Phoenix Mars Lander может услышать Марс
(22:13) 01.10.2008
Впервые в истории исследования Марса у ученых появится возможность услышать звуки, которые могут быть на Красной планете. На борту марсианского аппарат Phoenix присутствует микрофон, который должен быть включен через несколько дней. "Это первый опыт подобного рода. Микрофон является частью модуля Mars Descent Imager (MARDI), предназначенного для фотографирования окружающей аппарат поверхности", - говорит научный руководитель миссии Питер Смит из Университета Аризоны.

Однако, до сих пор микрофон и его звуковая плата не были использованы. После посадки аппарата выяснилось, что в условиях низких температур и атмосферы Марса включенный микрофон может создать помехи в работе более важного оборудования и его было решено отключить.

Позже алгоритм работы микрофона был изменен за счет обновленного программного обеспечения и теперь он, судя по всему, безопасен для других устройств.

Перед тем, как слушать возможные звуки Марса в НАСА намерены проверить микрофон на работоспособность - система будет включена, когда Phoenix будет бурить очередную скважину. "Это нужно для того, чтобы убедиться, что мы слышим хоть что-то", - говорит Смит.

[В А Д И М]

Однако, до сих пор микрофон и его звуковая плата не были использованы. После посадки аппарата выяснилось, что в условиях низких температур и атмосферы Марса включенный микрофон может создать помехи в работе более важного оборудования и его было решено отключить.

Позже алгоритм работы микрофона был изменен за счет обновленного программного обеспечения и теперь он, судя по всему, безопасен для других устройств.

Перед тем, как слушать возможные звуки Марса в НАСА намерены проверить микрофон на работоспособность - система будет включена, когда Phoenix будет бурить очередную скважину. "Это нужно для того, чтобы убедиться, что мы слышим хоть что-то", - говорит Смит.

во гонят  инфу на лоха :lol:
просто потеряли перечень оборудования в сценарии, а теперь микрофон вспомнили да заодно и буровую установку придумали

[Boo]

Salo
Вы б ещё на бабушек на лавочке ссылки давали....

Вероятнось выживания аппарата зависит только от коэффициента надёжности. В принципе, может и растаять по весне, но, думаю, это будет чудо враждебной техники!
 

[MKOLOM]

А зачем вообще было искать воду, если вода сама придёт к Фениксу?

[Tiger]

А зачем вообще было искать воду, если вода сама придёт к Фениксу?

Так снег-то из CO2[/size], а не H2[/size]O.

[ronatu]

The University of Arizona-led Phoenix Mars Lander mission has found water on the distant planet and been acclaimed a huge success by NASA officials.

As the approaching Martian winter and its diminishing sunlight bring the Phoenix surface exploration mission to a dark, icy close, Peter Smith, principal investigator for the mission, answered questions on the highs, the lows and what remains to be discovered.

Q What was the most challenging, or most frightening, part of the mission so far?
A I think the scariest part of the mission was right before landing. We had what we called the seven minutes of terror, and they truly were seven minutes of terror. We had prepared and prepared for the last few years but when it came down to that day and that time, and those seven minutes, that was about as scary as anything I've done in my life.

Q From a scientific standpoint, what have been some of the mission's highlights?
A We were thrilled to find the thrusters underneath the Lander had blown away soil and exposed an ice table right there, that we could see in the first week of the mission, and we knew we were in good shape. Now we're investigating the properties of the soil that are telling us that the ice actually melted over time. This means that this could have been a place where life could exist. We are trying to build a case now that this is a habitable zone on Mars and people should go back with other missions and look for life in this region.

Q What have been some of the scientific low points?
A A lot of our frustration through the summer was getting samples into our instruments. This Martian soil is somewhat devilish in its properties. We perhaps brought the wrong tools with us to get these Martian soils through the screens and into the collection cells. We've had to learn techniques that allow us to work with Martian soils and get samples.

Q What was the single most unexpected scientific discovery?
A We have seen something that is totally unexpected; that was a salt called perchlorate. Perchlorate on Earth is an energy source for microbes.
If we have a fair amount of this perchlorate in the Martian soil, and there were Martian microbes, they could live on this stuff, they wouldn't need sunlight. They could live on perchlorate as a chemical energy source.

Q What has been the mission's emotional high point?
A It was probably during the first few weeks of the mission. We managed to get samples into our various instruments and start to get results back. For me, that meant we were really doing what we planned for the last five years to do, and that is scientific analysis of Martian materials. Getting those first data points back was a big thrill to me, it was just a high. Everybody was applauding, and kind of high fiving each other as these data came down day by day.
The first month of the mission was one of camaraderie. The team came together to form a cohesive whole, even though we are from different organizations from aerospace companies or NASA centers or universities. We all came together to form a team and the joy of getting those first samples and the analysis of Martian materials was the high point for me.

Q What was the emotional low point?
A One of the great frustrations was realizing we had some difficulties with our TEGA (Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer) instrument, and having to go before we were ready to try and sample ice. Sampling ice is the hardest thing we do and we had to do that before we were ready because we felt the next sample might be our last. So there were three weeks of attempts to get that icy soil, one day after another of frustration and failure, and (it) really, I think, demoralized our whole team trying to do that too soon. We finally were successful in getting a tiny piece of ice into the TEGA oven and proving that we'd found water, and so that ended that painful period.

Q As the face of the mission, have you enjoyed your time in the media spotlight?
A I've kind of grown to enjoy it. I'm typically a very private person, but because I'm the principal investigator, somebody has to represent the project to the world and that's my job. I've kind of grown into it.

Q What role has the Phoenix mission played in making the UA a center for space exploration?
A We have been growing as an institution, doing our space exploration, for the last 30 years. We started with individual instruments that have flown on various missions and we've done a number of those here at the university. That's been growing year by year into more complicated instruments, more complicated missions.
It's kind of culminated with the Phoenix mission where we were operating the whole mission here, we have a chance as a university to take the glory of the mission, this is where its happened, this is where the brain trust is that invented the mission and organized all the activities that led to this huge success. It's put UA on the forefront of front-page news around the world, as we make discoveries and show progress in getting our mission developed.

Q How can the success of Phoenix be parlayed into future UA space program successes?
A I think we need to learn the lessons from this mission: how the university can support proposal development in such a way that it gives us better chance for successfully conducting missions, and so that people can see from our past success that this could be a good place to do a future mission. I think we've got that nailed.
However, we have to wait until opportunities arise; if NASA doesn't announce opportunities you can respond to, it's not like you can invent your own mission and just do it. You have to wait until an opportunity becomes available. Mars is pretty much sewn up until 2016 so we're not likely going to be doing another Mars mission. However, there are other opportunities in NASA to go to other space objects and propose missions, and we're actually writing those proposals right now.
I know of at least two proposals that are trying to do that right now. Two UA proposals with UA principal investigators, hoping to do operations for the mission from this facility.
I am a contributor on the two proposals I mention, I'm not playing a very big role right now; it's just too much for me to get away from our Phoenix operations because they take all my time right now.

Q What sorts of things are team researchers hoping to discover before surface operations end in November? What is the most important task or goal left?
A Because of the difficulties collecting samples through the summer, some of our most interesting science has been pushed right to the end of the mission. We are scurrying frantically to do these really important final tasks. One is to try and make the case there are organic materials on Mars at this site, and we haven't been able to do that yet. But we have some ideas on how we might accomplish that. Either a yes or a no would be good, not a maybe.

Q Are you feeling confident you can find organics?
A I am a little worried. Time is running out, our power is getting less and less each day. These are very hard samples to gather. Mars is very difficult. These are difficult things to do, and doing it remotely, from 200 million miles distance, trying to deliver a little sample in a windy environment is a challenge.

Q When will you know when the surface exploration portion of the mission is finally ended?
A This is a process that takes over about a week, so it not a surprise. At some point you can't power the heaters for your battery anymore. You're right at the end when you can't power the heaters to your battery because the battery doesn't work very well when its as cold as Mars gets. So as the battery gets colder and colder your ability to charge it gets less every day and it starts to go down and down.
Even when the battery dies we may have another few days because solar power will actually bring that thing back up. But at that point it's like a person with Alzheimer's; it can't remember the time or what it was supposed to do.
The end game gets very difficult and frustrating, and at some point it just won't be able to do much of anything.

Q What do you think your thoughts and emotions will be when the Lander dies?
A These times are always bittersweet. If we've managed to complete our analysis and got all our samples and used all of our laboratory capabilities, then it's a job well done and the mission was accomplished. If on the other hand we just can't quite get that last sample in, it might leave me with the feeling, if I only had another week or two, there's one last thing I'd like to do and I just haven't quite finished it.
We've done, even now, 90 percent of what we've set out to accomplish, and I will never feel that it has been any kind of a failure. It's been a marvelous success.

Q Will you remain at UA?
A Oh, yes, absolutely. If we're not winning proposals in a timely basis I'll probably try teaching or writing a book. There are a lot of options in my future and I've not decided what to do.

Q Is Phoenix the pinnacle of your career as a scientist, or is the best yet to come?
A Phoenix is the pinnacle of my career, there is no question.

Q What will be your fondest memory of the mission?
A Working with our team. Our Phoenix team has really bonded together; we've become good friends. Getting to know these people and watching how they approach problems and solve them. I've gotten so much enjoyment out of being part of that process.

Q Is or was the area where Phoenix landed habitable? Could life have existed there?
A I'm not very comfortable answering that question yet. But I would say we're on a pathway that is leading us toward that conclusion. We are finding some of the things we set out to look for, but not all. I would really like to reserve an answer to that question for another month. Right now I think the evidence is pointing toward a habitable zone, but we certainly haven't made the case. We may find over the next month that we cannot claim this as a habitable zone.

Q What grade would you give the mission?
A I'd give us an A. We've had a couple of instrumental problems that keep the A+ off our our grade. If we accomplish those final tasks, I think it will go to the A+.

Q What would you have done differently knowing what you know now?
A If I had the budget, I'd have brought a drill core. We've scraped the top of ice layer, we've gotten little samples right off the top. Nobody knows how deep that ice is, nobody knows what secrets are 1 or 2 feet down into that ice. If we had a corer, and could bring up a long core, then slice through it section by section, and do analysis.
Sample delivery could have been done much better, but everything worked with the soils we tried on Earth, everything worked perfectly. It's only Mars that has prevented us from getting these samples.

[sychbird]

Лично меня удивили два момента в ответах Peter Smith.

1. Оценка наличия перхлората в качестве существенного элемента увеличения вероятности существования жизни на Марсе.

2. Перевод стрелок на низкий уровень бюджета миссии, как причина отказа от бура в пользу механической руки. Не берусь что либо утверждать однозначно, следил за подготовкой миссии достаточно эпизодически, но гложат меня "смутные сомнения".

[В А Д И М]

http://cybersecurity.ru/space/56279.html

После посадки аппарата выяснилось, что в условиях низких температур и атмосферы Марса включенный микрофон может создать помехи в работе более важного оборудования и его было решено отключить.

Позже алгоритм работы микрофона был изменен за счет обновленного программного обеспечения и теперь он, судя по всему, безопасен для других устройств.

Всё-таки интересно, какую же опасность и для какого оборудования создаёт работа микрофона? может быть речь идёт об угрозе для национальной безопасности космических достижений США?

[Вадим Лукашевич]

http://cybersecurity.ru/space/56279.html

Phoenix Mars Lander может услышать Марс
(22:13) 01.10.2008
Впервые в истории исследования Марса у ученых появится возможность услышать звуки, которые могут быть на Красной планете. На борту марсианского аппарат Phoenix присутствует микрофон, который должен быть включен через несколько дней. "Это первый опыт подобного рода. Микрофон является частью модуля Mars Descent Imager (MARDI), предназначенного для фотографирования окружающей аппарат поверхности", - говорит научный руководитель миссии Питер Смит из Университета Аризоны.

Однако, до сих пор микрофон и его звуковая плата не были использованы. После посадки аппарата выяснилось, что в условиях низких температур и атмосферы Марса включенный микрофон может создать помехи в работе более важного оборудования и его было решено отключить.

Позже алгоритм работы микрофона был изменен за счет обновленного программного обеспечения и теперь он, судя по всему, безопасен для других устройств.

Перед тем, как слушать возможные звуки Марса в НАСА намерены проверить микрофон на работоспособность - система будет включена, когда Phoenix будет бурить очередную скважину. "Это нужно для того, чтобы убедиться, что мы слышим хоть что-то", - говорит Смит.

ВАДИМУ:
в целях экономии принято решение отказаться от видеоряда и закончить шоу радиопостановкой  :wink:

[Dude]

Лично меня удивили два момента в ответах Peter Smith.

1. Оценка наличия перхлората в качестве существенного элемента увеличения вероятности существования жизни на Марсе.

2. Перевод стрелок на низкий уровень бюджета миссии, как причина отказа от бура в пользу механической руки. Не берусь что либо утверждать однозначно, следил за подготовкой миссии достаточно эпизодически, но гложат меня "смутные сомнения".

1. Согласен. Я бы даже сказал, что природные условия при образовании перхлората для известной нам жизни неудобны.

2. Тут он прав, все бабки скушали Локхид и Боинг, за постройку перелетной ступени и лендера, и за вывод на отлетную, поэтому инструменты были взяты из запчастей к двум прошлым неудачным миссиям. Но так оно и задумывалось, если бы они потребовали бабки и время на новые инструменты, то этой миссии бы просто не было.

[STS]

Не помню было или нет...

http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/01/phoenix-lander-will-listen-to-the-sounds-of-mars/



Phoenix MARDI. Credit: NASA / JPL / MSSS

1 мег

[sychbird]

Тут, строго говоря не исключено и иверсное прочтение: известные нам природные условия образования перлората.
Не возмусь ничего утверждать. Но, " не корысти ради, а, исключительно волей пославшей мя жены"

[Reader]

Тьма сгущается, а посему - Phoenix Lander Digs And Analyzes Soil (Headless - хорошее название для камня)
http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/10_08_pr.php
Упомянутая родина Дон-Кихота, in 3-D:
http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/md_38737.jpg

[KBOB]

http://www.space.gc.ca/asc/eng/exploration/phoenix_weather1.asp

-90 ночью уже!

[fireland]

http://www.space.gc.ca/asc/eng/exploration/phoenix_weather1.asp

Судя по указанной там погоде Фениксу всё время сопутствовало Солнце и только сейчас состояние атмосферы начало координально меняться. Интересно будет посмотреть на изменения вокруг Феникса при новом состоянии атмосферы.

[Boo]

Судя по указанной там погоде Фениксу всё время сопутствовало Солнце и только сейчас состояние атмосферы начало координально меняться

Естественно! Был как бы полярный день, а теперь иногда солнышко заходит, мёрзнем...
*PML машет солнечными батареями, пытается перелететь на йуг*

[Dude]

122 сол.

128 сол.

130 сол.


129 сол.

[Boo]

Dude
А давайте верхний снимок интерпретируем ка "залежи кокаина на Марсе"!
 :lol:

Через год, или раньше - самостоятельная Колумбийская миссия, постоянная колония...