Международная лунная посещаемая платформа

[Андрюха]

К слову - а для лунной низкой орбиты такой грузовик возможен?

И немножко тут

[Diy]

А с Зевсом и сверхтяж будет не нужен.

[Diy]

Это как раз наш метод.

[Astro Cat]

А с Зевсом и сверхтяж будет не нужен.

А если в итоге ентот Зевс будет весить 100 тонн, а не 55 как планируют?

Хотя если Зевс все бабло сожрет, то и сверхтяж не на что будет строить.

[Prokrust]

Возник вопрос о топливе для плазменных.
Я так понимаю, помимо всего прочего ксенон удобно хранить, температура кипения -107*С - вполне можно хранить. Но это очень дорогой газ. В Старлинках используется аргон. Температура кипения -185*С.  Он же просто выкипит. Как он хранится? Как газ под сильным давлением? Или все же жидкий, но при давлении 49 бар, тогда температура кипения -123*С.
Как же аргон хранится? Кто нибудь знает ответ?
Хм, ксенон под давлением 82 бар, кипит при температуре 16*С.

[Diy]

А с Зевсом и сверхтяж будет не нужен.

А если в итоге ентот Зевс будет весить 100 тонн, а не 55 как планируют?

Хотя если Зевс все бабло сожрет, то и сверхтяж не на что будет строить.

По частям соберем...

[ОАЯ]

Компания Redwire, специализирующаяся на космической инфраструктуре, успешно завершила первое испытание по развёртыванию одной из своих солнечных батарей Roll-Out Solar Arrays (ROSA) для лунной станции Gateway.
https://www.electronicsweekly.com/market-sectors/military-aerospace-electronics/

[Без_имени]

А что там у Gateway? 🛰🌕

В модуль Power and Propulsion Element будущей окололунной станции Gateway установлены аккумуляторы, загружено программное обеспечения управления полетом, протестирован диапазон движения подвесов двигателя 🔧

[Rocinante]

https://x.com/i/status/2027404212343070784

When asked about the status of Gateway in the #Artemis architecture @NASAAdmin punted and re-focused on launch cadence.

Когда у администратора НАСА спросили о статусе Gateway в архитектуре #Artemis, он уклонился от ответа и переключил внимание на график запусков.

[Arzach]

уклонился от ответа

Похоже, все наработки по Гейтвею достанутся Аксиому. 

[Rocinante]

Хьюстон, у нас отмена!

https://x.com/i/status/2036432676232610280

NASA Administrator has announced the plan to pause the Lunar Gateway program in its current form, shifting focus toward building infrastructure directly on the Moon.

Administrator Jared Isaacman says the agency will instead prioritize:
🌕 Sustained lunar surface operations
🏗 Moon base development
🚀 Faster path to long-term human presence

"We intend to pause Gateway in its current form and focus on building lunar infrastructure that supports sustained operations on the surface." - @NASAAdmin

This marks a major strategic pivot for the Artemis program; with the Moon's surface now the clear priority over lunar orbit.

NASA may revisit the Lunar Gateway in the future.

Администратор NASA объявил о планах приостановить программу Lunar Gateway в ее нынешнем виде, переключив внимание на строительство инфраструктуры непосредственно на Луне.

Администратор Джаред Айзекман заявил, что агентство вместо этого будет уделять приоритетное внимание:
🌕 Поддержанию длительных операций на лунной поверхности
🏗 Разработке лунных баз
🚀 Более быстрому пути к долгосрочному присутствию человека на Луне

«Мы намерены приостановить программу Gateway в ее нынешнем виде и сосредоточиться на строительстве лунной инфраструктуры, которая поддерживает длительные операции на поверхности». - @NASAAdmin

Это знаменует собой важный стратегический поворот для программы Artemis; теперь поверхность Луны является явным приоритетом по сравнению с лунной орбитой.

NASA может вернуться к программе Lunar Gateway в будущем.

[ТТоварищ]

Gateway всё, да здравствует база на Луне.

Администратор NASA Джаред Айзекман сделал ряд важных анонсов в рамках выступления в штаб-квартире NASA. Начнём с Луны и программы Artemis:

- Станция Gateway замораживается в текущем виде, что упоминалось в канале. (t.me/starbasepost/3795) Это бюрократическая пауза, но не отмена, которую пока не могут провести.

- Ресурсы смещаются в сторону базы на поверхности Луны, которую будут разворачивать в 3 этапа.

- Первый этап: короткие миссии с новыми роверами, энергетическими установками (включая РИТЭГи), автоматическими и управляемыми станциями итд — всё для получения опыта.

- Второй этап: переход к долгосрочному пребыванию и новой инфраструктуре на поверхности с повседневными задачами.

- Третий этап: переход к удешевлению логистики с фокусом на постоянное пребывание человека на поверхности Луны.

- Для достижения этих задач будут задействованы текщуие проекты по программам ICPS и LTV (малые аппараты, роверы и средства передвижения), затем уже с переходом на Cargo HLS (Starship и Blue Moon).

- Опыт по освоению Луны поможет в будущей марсианской программе.

- Только первую фазу оценивают в $10 миллиардов с планомерной эволюцией программы по примеру от Mercury к Gemini, и затем Apollo, но с привлечением международных партнёров.

t.me/starbasepost/3958

[ТТоварищ]

Реальность развивается в правильном направлении!
(хоть и очень медленно из-за вонючих политических игрищ)
Чмошные ОС и бредовые Марсы в мусорку.

База на Луне - единственное разумное поле деятельности для пилотажки.
Об этом все адекваты на ФНК давно писали.

[Ed Sch]

Более быстрому пути к долгосрочному присутствию человека на Луне

Так быстрому? Или долгосрочному?
Срочный базовтык как-то диссонирует с долгосрочностью.

[Arzach]

NASA Administrator has announced the plan to pause the Lunar Gateway program

Вообще-то он там много о чём объявил, и это лишь маленький фрагмент его

заявления:

A Message From
Administrator Jared Isaacman

NASA Team Members,

We are calling today's event Ignition because it represents the start of a transformative journey for NASA.

In the few short months since I began this role, we have moved quickly. That urgency reflects the reality of great power competition, the importance of our mission, and the implications if we fail to meet the moment and come up short. Taxpayers support NASA because we can change the world in air, space, and science. As an agency, we can no longer endure externally imposed and self-inflicted distractions, attempting excessive multi-billion-dollar endeavors at once, forgoing the iterative, evolutionary approach to success, and jumping straight to the dream state. The results are captured in most OIG reports. Tens of billions are wasted, time is lost, and exploration and discovery suffer. The world has been waiting for the headlines only NASA is capable of delivering. It is time to focus and deliver.

Over the next few days much will be discussed, but at a high level, Ignition represents the first steps toward fulfilling the commitments I made to all of you during the roadshow earlier this year. We are concentrating NASA's resources on the most important objectives in line with President Trump's National Space Policy. We are clearing away obstacles and unnecessary bureaucracy that impede progress and empowering the most talented workforce in the nation to once again undertake and achieve the near-impossible.

Throughout the day you will see updates on NASA's strategy shared with industry and the media across several major initiatives. But we are long past the time for words and PowerPoint alone. Today, RFIs and draft solicitations begin to go out. Breakout sessions will take place to answer questions. And as this spacefaring ship sails, the focus moves quickly to execution.

Lets begin with returning American astronauts to the Moon.

Artemis II will soon send astronauts around the Moon, the first crewed milestone of the Artemis program to pick up where Gene, Harrison, and Ronald left off on Apollo 17. At the same time, we are standardizing the SLS architecture with the Centaur upper stage, focusing expertise on ML-1 pad turnarounds, and building the muscle memory required to support increased launch cadence. Despite what some may believe, the hardware we leave behind was not close. Between NASA and our partners, we will make great use of what we can, but investing billions in additional resources and years of time, which we simply do not have, would have distracted from the enormous task at hand.

Next year, we will launch Artemis III to test the integrated operations of Orion and one or both landers in Earth orbit. What we hope to learn from that mission should provide the confidence to begin lunar landings starting with Artemis IV in 2028. This iterative and evolutionary approach is consistent with how NASA went to the Moon in the 1960s and is the path we will follow again.

But the goal this time is to stay.

Today we signal demand for frequent crewed and heavy cargo launches and landings well beyond Artemis V. We intend to work with no fewer than two launch providers, with on-ramps for additional vendors in the future. The United States will never again give up the Moon again.

That leads directly to building the Moon base.

It should not be much of a surprise that we intend to pause Gateway in its current form and focus on building lunar infrastructure that supports sustained operations on the surface. The National Space Policy calls for an enduring presence. The surface will be the technology proving ground for the capabilities required to undertake future missions to Mars, not to mention that it is safer and enables incredible opportunities for science. We will pivot agency talent and hardware already working on Gateway to the surface or other programs.

Phase One will focus on an experimental period where we gain experience landing and operating rovers on the Moon, with the goal that people will be tuning in to lunar landings on a near-monthly cadence over the next few years. NASA will not be watching and hoping for the best, but will be deeply embedded alongside industry, increasing the chances of successful landings.

During the first phase we will test concepts for power, including signaling demand to industry for RHUs and RTGs, autonomous and crewed mobility, surface preparation, communications, navigation, technology demonstrations, and all the science instruments our landers and rovers can carry.

Phase Two transitions from experimentation to more lasting habitable infrastructure, with logistics demonstrations capable of supporting routine human operations.

Phase Three takes advantage of the affordable mass-to-surface capabilities that will emerge in the years ahead, enabling permanent infrastructure and the systems required for what could be a near-continuous human presence on the Moon.

To achieve this, we will initially leverage the CLPS and LTV programs, and eventually cargo HLS, while dramatically expanding the scope and resources available to those initiatives.

What we learn from building and operating a Moon base will prepare NASA astronauts for the long and inspiring journey to Mars.

The Moon base will not appear overnight. Phase One alone will be a 10-billion-dollar effort, built through dozens of missions working together with commercial and international partners in a deliberate and achievable plan. We are stating the demand to industry so they can expand the production of launch vehicles, landers, and rover capabilities required to achieve this objective in a logical, evolutionary way. There was Mercury and Gemini before there was Apollo. Expect a similar approach as the base takes shape. And we will never go alone. Orbiting communications relays and observation platforms will bring the world along for the ride on a NASA website as we build the Moon base over the years ahead.

At the same time, NASA will never give up its presence in low Earth orbit.

The International Space Station will eventually reach the end of its life, but how we transition to commercial capabilities is paramount. Similar to the Moon base, we intend to pursue a phased approach that builds on the capabilities we have today while helping industry mature and creating the market demand needed for a future orbital economy.

This is an area where NASA cannot force an orbital economy to exist, nor can we accept a risk to America's continuous presence in Earth orbit, but we will do everything possible to ignite the economy we all believe to be inevitable. That includes partnering with industry, increasing the frequency of PAM missions, potentially purchasing seats for NASA astronauts on those missions, and creating a front door to prioritize the highest commercial-potential projects reaching the space station. It is imperative we identify the products, services, and capabilities that may someday fuel numerous commercial space stations.

In support of an enduring presence in LEO, NASA will signal demand to industry for crew and cargo transportation to low Earth orbit for decades to come, helping ensure there is an economic case for multiple pathways to orbit.

Science and discovery remain at the heart of NASA's mission.

You will hear updates on flagship missions such as Roman, Dragonfly, and HWO, along with new initiatives designed to expand the pace of discovery, including Rosalind Franklin, DAVINCI, and payloads on the Mars Telecommunications Orbiter. Public-private partnerships will turn NASA into a force-multiplier for science, allowing us to pursue more missions than traditional models alone would permit.We will introduce concepts that enable science-as-a-service for Earth observation and space weather, along with possible rideshare opportunities to utilize flight hardware sitting at our centers awaiting missions.We are also excited to hear about the role philanthropic efforts play to increase our understanding of the universe, like the Eric and Wendy Schmidt Observatory System. We are aware of many such efforts and look forward to collaborating and supporting them.

The Moon base alone will also provide immense opportunities for scientific payloads like VIPER, CADRE, and Moonfall hopper drones. With dozens of lunar missions ahead, there will be significant capacity for scientific instruments. And we will continue to explore options that preserve legacy missions still producing valuable data while balancing the investments necessary to pursue future flagship endeavors.

There is also one more thing.

Nuclear power and propulsion represent essential technologies for enabling the development of a lunar economy and facilitating exploration of the outer solar system. Yet after decades of work, $20 billion spent, and dozens of nuclear reactor programs that never reached space, America has little to show for it.

NASA is ready to get underway on nuclear power in space and has begun work on SR-1 Freedom. This approximately 25-kilowatt nuclear electric propulsion demonstration will bring together expertise across the agency and our partners to develop capabilities that support future missions to the Moon, Mars, and beyond. When the interplanetary mission launches in 2028, it will not only demonstrate nuclear power in space but also deliver the Skyfall payload to Mars, deploying multiple Ingenuity-class copters to explore the Red Planet.

None of these efforts succeed without the workforce.

We are rebuilding NASA's core competencies by bringing in new talent, expanding opportunities for interns and early-career professionals, and creating pathways for expertise to move between government and industry.

If today roughly seventy-five percent of NASA's workforce consists of contractors, I expect that ratio to shift significantly in the years ahead. When the workforce directive on contractor-to-civil-servant conversion was issued, I said we would measure progress in thousands of employees and in months, not years, freeing up hundreds of millions in resources for science and discovery along the way.

NASA will invest in the next generation, issuing over $1 billion dollars annually in grants and bringing on more than two thousand interns each year to attract extraordinary talent. As NASA astronauts return to the Moon and undertake the missions ahead, that pipeline will only grow. At the same time, we need experienced professionals from industry to take term appointments at NASA, bring their expertise, mentor younger talent, and serve their country. The agency is also seeking to open opportunities for NASA employees to gain valuable experience working within the most technologically advanced space industry in history.

There is no shortage of exciting rocket launches and missions ahead, but we will also continue to inspire the next generation through outreach and other efforts that bring the public closer to our mission, including showcasing the aeronautics portfolio at airshows and events across the nation. And thanks to your feedback through the idea boxes, we have a near-endless list of agency, policy, and procurement reforms that will enable NASA to be faster and more effective with less bureaucratic drag.

Undertaking the near-impossible should be extremely difficult and will only happen through extreme competence, ownership, dedication to the mission, and a great sense of urgency. We will recognize and reward the very best who deliver outcomes.

On that note, I want to emphasize the role we all play in realizing these objectives. Few disagree with the direction we are taking, but many question the achievability. There is a belief among some that NASA has drifted so far from its best days that we can no longer undertake big, bold endeavors and deliver on them. That is why we must take ownership of the outcomes. We will not sit on our hands and hope industry saves the day. NASA will assign subject matter experts to every program supporting the National Space Policy, from returning to the Moon to building a lunar base. We will work alongside every vendor, attached to every component on the critical path and down to the subcontractor level.

These teams will be active, doing everything within our power to help our partners meet their commitments, knowing American exceptionalism is on the line. And if they cannot, NASA will bring the full tools and capabilities of this agency to bear and solve the problem the way we have throughout our history.

Today is called Ignition for a reason.

It is the moment when we start to believe again, when ideas become missions, and when hard work delivers world-changing accomplishments.

We are leading the greatest adventure in human history, and it has only just begun. I am grateful to be working alongside all of you.

Jared Isaacman
NASA Administrator

[свернуть]

[Paleopulo]

Это, конечно, интересно, и для бюрократа - логично. Если Айзекман и пересидит осень сего года, то в конце 2028 он гарантированно уходит.

[Arzach]

А тут еще пачку слайдов к этому заявлению выкинули, но это совсем другая история - про Артемис в целом. Хотя есть и одна картинка по Gateway:

Вы не можете просматривать это вложение.

Вкратце:

• долгосрочным целям отвечает, но сейчас другие приоритеты
• партнёрам по HLS эта станция не нужна
• первые два модуля далеко за пределами графика
• прочие модули тоже отстают и для них ещё не решены сложные технические задачи

[Paleopulo]

А тут еще пачку слайдов к этому заявлению выкинули, но это совсем другая история - про Артемис в целом. Хотя есть и одна картинка по Gateway:

Вы не можете просматривать это вложение.

Вкратце:

• долгосрочным целям отвечает, но сейчас другие приоритеты
• партнёрам по HLS эта станция не нужна
• первые два модуля далеко за пределами графика
• прочие модули тоже отстают и для них ещё не решены сложные технические задачи

Ну да, Маску там ничего, вроде, с ней не светило.

[triage]

Вкратце:

• долгосрочным целям отвечает, но сейчас другие приоритеты
• партнёрам по HLS эта станция не нужна
• первые два модуля далеко за пределами графика
• прочие модули тоже отстают и для них ещё не решены сложные технические задачи

HLS по отчету генерального инспектора в требованиях НАСА к беспилотному полету после запуска двигателей на старт с Луны даже стыковаться  с станцией или Орионом не требуется, а Маску даже на орбиту выходить не обязательно. Про отлетную траекторию и говорить нечего.
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/nasa-ig-applauds-nasa-contracting-for-artemis-hls-raises-concerns-about-crew-safety/

Маску светили запуски моделей и снабжение на уже летающей ракете и деньги кажется выделены.

[triage]

Это, конечно, интересно, и для бюрократа - логично. Если Айзекман и пересидит осень сего года, то в конце 2028 он гарантированно уходит.

еще не известно кто будет на посту президента после 2028...