НАСА устраивает новый конкурс на доставку грузов на МКС после того, как будет выполнен контракт на 20 полетов со SpaceX и Orbital Sciences.
В новом конкурсе кроме SpaceX и Orbital Sciences участвуют еще и Боинг, который предлагает грузовой вариант СSТ-100 и Sierra Nevada Corporation (SNC) со своим Dream Chaser.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Resupply_Services
The Commercial Resupply Services 2 (CRS2) contract definition/solicitation period is currently underway as of early 2014.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Resupply_Services#cite_note-nasa20140410-16)
On February 21, 2014 NASA posted Request For Information (RFI) NNJ14ZBG007L about a possible follow on to the current Commercial Resupply Services (CRS1) to the International Space Station (ISS).[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Resupply_Services#cite_note-CRS2_RFI-15)
An "Industry Day" set of meetings was held in Houston on April 10, 2014, where seven high-level requirements for the second Cargo Resupply Services contract solicitation were disclosed to parties who may be interested in contracting with the government (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States) to supply "nonscheduled chartered freight air transportation" resupply services to the ISS in the 2015–2024 time period.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Resupply_Services#cite_note-nasa20140410-16)
The anticipated contract will include "delivery of pressurized and unpressurized cargo, return and disposal of pressurized cargo, disposal of unpressurized cargo, and ground support services for the end-to-end resupply mission" and will include:[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Resupply_Services#cite_note-nasa20140410-16)
· delivery of approximately 14,000 to 17,000 kg (31,000 to 37,000 lb) per year 55 to 70 m3 (1,900 to 2,500 cu ft) of pressurized cargo in four or five transport trips
· delivery of 24–30 powered lockers per year, requiring continuous power of up to 120 Watts at 28 Volts, with cooling and two-way communication services
· delivery of approximately 1,500 to 4,000 kg (3,300 to 8,800 lb) per year of unpressurized cargo, consisting of 3 to 8 items, each item requiring continuous power of up to 250 Watts at 28 Volts, with cooling and two-way communication services
· return/disposal of approximately 14,000 to 17,000 kg (31,000 to 37,000 lb) per year 55 to 70 m3 (1,900 to 2,500 cu ft) of pressurized cargo
· disposal of 1,500 to 4,000 kg (3,300 to 8,800 lb) per year of unpressurized cargo, consisting of 3 to 8 items
· various ground support services for the end-to-end ISS resupply mission
The draft Request For Proposal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Request_For_Proposal) (RFP) is planned for release in May 2014 with a final RFP in June 2014. Proposals are due in July 2014, with the contract expected to be awarded in February 2015.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Resupply_Services#cite_note-nasa20140410-16)
In addition to Orbital Sciences and SpaceX, Boeing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing) and Sierra Nevada Corporation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_Nevada_Corporation) (SNC) have indicated intentions to bid on the program. There will be at least two contracts awarded. SNC has said it will put forward a variant of its manned Dream Chaser (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Chaser) from its failed bid for CCtCap (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCtCap) developed under CCiCap (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCiCap) contract in the CCDev (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCDev) program. Boeing has said it will put forward a variant of its CST-100 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CST-100) manned capsule from its CCtCAP bid.[25] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Resupply_Services#cite_note-25)
Хочется верить, что SNC победит, уж очень хочется чтобы крылатые КА жили!
Прошу прощения, а кто мусор с американского сегмента МКС вывозить будет? Японцы?
ЦитироватьSalo пишет:
Прошу прощения, а кто мусор с американского сегмента МКС вывозить будет? Японцы?
ЦитироватьSalo пишет:
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Можно и на землю возвращать в драконе и DC, можно сжигать в HTV и лебеде, что будет за грузовой CST пока неясно
ЦитироватьАнтон пишет:
Хочется верить, что SNC победит, уж очень хочется чтобы крылатые КА жили!
крылатый грузовик мне нравится 8)
ЦитироватьSalo пишет:
Прошу прощения, а кто мусор с американского сегмента МКС вывозить будет? Японцы?
В идеале мусор надо не вывозить, а измельчать и использовать как сырьё для печати разных деталей на 3D-принтере.
ЦитироватьДмитрий Инфан пишет:
В идеале мусор надо не вывозить, а измельчать и использовать как сырьё для печати разных деталей на 3D-принтере
И что потом с этими деталями делать? В грузовик и в атмосферу?
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ЦитироватьSalo пишет:
Прошу прощения, а кто мусор с американского сегмента МКС вывозить будет? Японцы?
В идеале мусор надо не вывозить, а измельчать и использовать как сырьё для печати разных деталей на 3D-принтере.
Даже из
него печатать?! Это же "Жизнь и необычайные приключения солдата Ивана Чонкина" в космосе! :)
ЦитироватьAlex_II пишет:
ЦитироватьДмитрий Инфан
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В идеале мусор надо не вывозить, а измельчать и использовать как сырьё для печати разных деталей на 3D-принтере
И что потом с этими деталями делать? В грузовик и в атмосферу?
Строить новый модуль.
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ЦитироватьДмитрий Инфан
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ЦитироватьSalo пишет:
Прошу прощения, а кто мусор с американского сегмента МКС вывозить будет? Японцы?
В идеале мусор надо не вывозить, а измельчать и использовать как сырьё для печати разных деталей на 3D-принтере.
Даже из него печатать?!
Органика - сырьё для полимеров.
ЦитироватьSalo пишет:
Прошу прощения, а кто мусор с американского сегмента МКС вывозить будет? Японцы?
Cygnus функционально подобен Прогрессу. И основан на технологиях ATV.
ЦитироватьДмитрий Инфан пишет:
Органика - сырьё для полимеров.
Ну вот и попробуйте сделать полимеры из г-на... Получится - можете претендовать на место в памяти человечества и Нобелевку...
ЦитироватьGrus пишет:
Cygnus ... основан на технологиях ATV.
уточню: герметичный отсек - да, а служебный - это разработка Орбитала.
из-за сообщения в стыковочных агрегатах
а кто-то из американских транспортников будет иметь возможность изменять орбиту станции?
нашел только про желание тестировать VASIMR (Электромагнитный ракетный ускоритель)
Цитироватьpnetmon пишет:
из-за сообщения в стыковочных агрегатах
а кто-то из американских транспортников будет иметь возможность изменять орбиту станции?
нашел только про желание тестировать VASIMR (Электромагнитный ракетный ускоритель)
Интересно, а как, задница то в российском сегменте. Хотя шаттлы вроде могли поднимать
Цитироватьpnetmon пишет: уточню: герметичный отсек - да, а служебный - это разработка Орбитала.
Не так. Вот и способ стыковки у него от ATV. И не думаю, что этим заимствования исчерпываются. С чего бы?
И менять орбиту будет Cygnus, потому что он будет стыковаться к силовым стыковочным узлам.
ЦитироватьGrus пишет:
Цитироватьpnetmon пишет: уточню: герметичный отсек - да, а служебный - это разработка Орбитала.
Не так. Вот и способ стыковки у него от ATV. И не думаю, что этим заимствования исчерпываются. С чего бы?
И менять орбиту будет Cygnus, потому что он будет стыковаться к силовым стыковочным узлам.
можете дать источники
успешная миссия Сигнуса http://www.spaceflight101.com/cygnus-orb-2-mission-updates.html куда он стыкуется?
а вот ATV-5 http://www.spaceflight101.com/atv-5-mission-updates.html
и вот с картинками https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmony_%28ISS_module%29
ЦитироватьGrus пишет:
С чего бы?
Что значит способ стыковки у него от ATV? Он же манипулятором стыкуется!
И что такое силовые узлы? Cygnus вроде стыкуется туда же, куда и Дракон и HTV
ЦитироватьGrus пишет:
Цитироватьpnetmon пишет: уточню: герметичный отсек - да, а служебный - это разработка Орбитала.
Не так. Вот и способ стыковки у него от ATV. И не думаю, что этим заимствования исчерпываются. С чего бы?
И менять орбиту будет Cygnus, потому что он будет стыковаться к силовым стыковочным узлам.
ЦитироватьGrus пишет:
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и простите чем он её менять то будет? 500 ньютоновым IHI BT-4?
ЦитироватьАнтон пишет: Что значит способ стыковки у него от ATV? Он же манипулятором стыкуется!
И что такое силовые узлы? Cygnus вроде стыкуется туда же, куда и Дракон и HTV
Вы правы, видимо. Я не нашел того сообщения в nasaspaceflight о, якобы, контракте с Sodern по системе стыковки для ATV. Зато нашел много описаний опытов с канадским Neptec TriDAR для автоматической стыковки с помощью манипулятора. Так что причаливать будут к тому же узлу.
Видимо, это устаревшее сведение. Например, на основе такого:
2009-04-20 COTS programme
SODERN been selected by Orbital Sciences Corporation (USA) for COTS programme
Further to the success of SODERN star trackers and Rendezvous sensors onboard the first ATV (Jules Verne) in spring last year, OSC has awarded a contract to SODERN for the supply of SED26 star trackers for its Commercial Orbital Transportation Service programme. At least nine flight sets in total should be ordered by OSC to fulfil the NASA COTS contracts and others could follow after the success of the first CRS mission.
Но теперь об этом не пишут.
в заголовке
ЦитироватьДимитър пишет:
The draft Request For Proposal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Request_For_Proposal) (RFP) is planned for release in May 2014 with a final RFP in June 2014. Proposals are due in July 2014, with the contract expected to be awarded in February 2015 . [16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Resupply_Services#cite_note-nasa20140410-16)
сейчас говорят о июне
Цитироватьhttp://spacenews.com/re-engined-antares-to-carry-space-station-cargo-in-2016-debut/
Orbital ATK Chief Executive David W. Thompson.....
Thompson said he would expect a NASA decision on the new supply contract, called CRS-2, in June.
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сейчас говорят о июнеЦитироватьhttp://spacenews.com/re-engined-antares-to-carry-space-station-cargo-in-2016-debut/
Orbital ATK Chief Executive David W. Thompson.....
Thompson said he would expect a NASA decision on the new supply contract, called CRS-2, in June.
Будут ждать подробностей по Сигнуса !? ;)
Боюсь, из-за аварии он пролетает. Выберут СпейсИкс и Боинг.
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сейчас говорят о июнеЦитироватьhttp://spacenews.com/re-engined-antares-to-carry-space-station-cargo-in-2016-debut/
Orbital ATK Chief Executive David W. Thompson.....
Thompson said he would expect a NASA decision on the new supply contract, called CRS-2, in June.
Будут ждать подробностей по Сигнуса !? ;)
Боюсь, из-за аварии он пролетает. Выберут СпейсИкс и Боинг.
Никуда Орбитал не денется, мусор то выкидывать нужно, зачем его тащить назад на боингах и драконах.
Да и авария то не с Лебедем произошла, а с РН, причем Лебедя оперативно перевели на другую ракету, так что сомневаюсь что это повлияет на заключение контракта.
А вот Боинг и Спейсов могут и прокатить, ибо итак жирно.
Надеюсь что дадут ДЧ, чтобы им не обидно было
ЦитироватьGrus пишет:
ЦитироватьSalo пишет:
Прошу прощения, а кто мусор с американского сегмента МКС вывозить будет? Японцы?
Cygnus функционально подобен Прогрессу. И основан на технологиях ATV.
Дык не факт, что контракт с Orbital заключат с таким перечнем участников. ;)
Так к моменту объявления о победителях у Спейсов уже успеет слетать CRS-7 (если форс-мажора не будет), у Орбитала полет на Атласе еще будет только готовиться, платить же Боингу втридорога НАСА вряд ли сможет, ибо денег лишних нет.. ДримЧейсер на Атласе - и дорого будет, и рискованно.
Так что, я не знаю кто там будет вторым в контракте, но то, что первыми будут Спейсы, у меня лично сомнений нет.
ЦитироватьДимитър пишет:
Будут ждать подробностей по Сигнуса !? ;)
Боюсь, из-за аварии он пролетает. Выберут СпейсИкс и Боинг.
незнаю кто будет ждать... может вы и правы, но там будет другая РН.
И это второе найденное заявление в прессе о объявлении результатов в июне 2015 года, ранее было у Sierra Nevada
Цитироватьhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/loser-left-behind-in-the-contracting-race-to-restore-america-to-space/2015/02/13/d65800d4-a264-11e4-b146-577832eafcb4_story.html?tid=ptv_rellink
February 13 2015
Grounded: Left behind in the contracting race to restore Americans to space
....
NASA is expected to announce the winners of that competition in June. Sierra Nevada will be waiting anxiously, wondering if it will once again be forced to answer the question: Well, now what?
Не считаю что Dream Chaser рискованно, главное запустить к МКС и доставить груз... и допиливать в случае проблем. Дорого из-за Атласа - это да.
http://spacenews.com/lockheed-martin-pitches-reusable-tug-for-space-station-resupply/
ЦитироватьLockheed Martin Pitches Reusable Tug for Space Station Resupply
by Jeff Foust (http://spacenews.com/author/jeff-foust/) — March 13, 2015
(https://img.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/155439.jpg)A Lockheed Martin cargo vehicle, consisting of a reusable tug called Jupiter and a cargo module called Exoliner, berths with the International Space Station in this illustration. Credit: Lockheed Martin
WASHINGTON — Lockheed Martin confirmed March 12 that it submitted a proposal for NASA's commercial cargo competition, offering a system that includes a reusable tug that can be used for other applications, including supporting human missions beyond Earth orbit.
"We're unveiling a solution that goes beyond the space station, a solution that will allow us to set the stage for a revolution in commercial exploration," said Jim Crocker, vice president and general manager of Lockheed Martin Space Systems International, in an event here to announce their system.
(https://img.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/155440.jpg) (http://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/lm-crs2-crocker.jpg)Jim Crocker, vice president and general manager of Lockheed Martin Space Systems International, discusses his company's commercial cargo system at an event at Washington's Uni on Station March 12. Credit: SpaceNews photo by Jeff Foust
The company's system features two key components: a reusable tug called Jupiter and a cargo module called Exoliner. Initially, the two would be launched together on a United Launch Alliance Atlas 5 rocket and berth with the International Space Station in much in the same way as existing commercial cargo vehicles.
At the end of its mission at the ISS, the cargo vehicle would depart and fly independently for weeks or months. During this time it would be able to carry out additional missions, such as the deployment of small satellites or remote sensing of the Earth.
Follow-on cargo missions would launch only Exoliner modules. Jupiter and the old Exoliner would rendezvous with the Centaur upper stage carrying the new Exoliner module, and Jupiter would use its robotic arm to swap the modules. Jupiter then returns to the ISS with the new cargo module, while the Centaur deorbits the old one.
The Jupiter tug, based on interplanetary spacecraft like the Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution orbiter Lockheed helped build and launch in 2013, is designed to operate in orbit for extended periods. "In essence it has an unlimited life," said Crocker, since the vehicle can be refueled and serviced on orbit.
(https://img.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/155437.jpg) (http://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Jupiter_exoliner_infographic.jpg)Credit: Lockheed Martin
The company did not offer specific pricing details, but emphasized what it termed the "affordability" of the system by noting that many key systems, such as sensors and other electronics, are incorporated into Jupiter and thus need to be built only once. "The expensive part of this system stays in orbit and is reused on every mission," Crocker said.
The system can carry up to 5,000 kilograms of pressurized cargo and 1,500 kilograms of unpressurized cargo per mission, the maximum set by NASA in its Commercial Resupply Services 2 (CRS-2) request for proposals last September. The amount of cargo it can dispose of is limited only by the volume of the cargo container, company officials said; NASA requires a minimum of 2,500 kilograms of cargo disposal per mission.
Lockheed Martin said it is developing the cargo system with two international partners. Thales Alenia Space is providing the cargo module, based on the cargo carrier it built for Europe's Automated Transfer Vehicle. Canada's MDA Corp. is building the robotic arm for Jupiter.
All of the major components of Jupiter and Exoliner have flight heritage. "Selecting hardware that has been effectively demonstrated on the space station has got to be a solution that provides a level of comfort" to NASA, said Wanda Sigur, vice president and general manager of Lockheed Martin Space Systems civil space line of business.
In addition to servicing the ISS and potential future commercial space stations, Lockheed Martin said this system could also support operations beyond Earth orbit. A Jupiter and Exoliner module could be launched, along with an Orion spacecraft, on a single Space Launch System booster, serving as a habitat and logistics module for extended stays in cislunar space.
"Although our priority is going to be servicing the ISS," said Josh Hopkins, a Lockheed Martin space exploration architect, "we're also designing the system from the beginning to be able to do deep space missions."
Lockheed Martin is the latest company to confirm its bid in what has become a crowded field for the CRS-2 competition. Boeing, Orbital ATK, and Sierra Nevada Corp. said in December that they submitted CRS-2 proposals. SpaceX, which, along with Orbital ATK, has contracts today to deliver cargo to the ISS, is widely believed to have also proposed, but the company has declined to publicly confirm that. NASA plans to sel ect at least two companies by June.
Sierra Nevada, which lost to Boeing and SpaceX in NASA's commercial crew competition last year, announced March 12 that it would provide details of its CRS-2 bid, called the Dream Chaser Cargo System, at a briefing here March 17.
https://youtu.be/WkJOUoJK8kA (https://youtu.be/WkJOUoJK8kA)
Локхийд изобрел "Паром"!
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2015/03/23/spacex-busy-list-rest-2015/
ЦитироватьCRS2 Contract to be Awarded
(https://img.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/232300.jpg) (http://www.parabolicarc.com/2014/10/25/dragon-released-iss-heads-splashdown-pacific/dragon_at_station-2/)
SpaceX Dragon freighter at ISS. (Credit: NASA)
The SpaceX president didn't address the CRS2 contract, which NASA is expected to award in June. Given that all six Dragon resupply missions to the International Space Station have been successful, the company would seem to be in the pole position for winning another agreement.
At least four other companies – Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Orbital ATK and Sierra Nevada Corporation – have submitted proposals for the CRS2 contract. Orbital ATK current holds the other active CRS contract.
Отлично
ЦитироватьSalo пишет:
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2015/03/23/spacex-busy-list-rest-2015/
ЦитироватьCRS2 Contract to be Awarded
SpaceX Dragon freighter at ISS. (Credit: NASA)
The SpaceX president didn't address the CRS2 contract, which NASA is expected to award in June. Given that all six Dragon resupply missions to the International Space Station have been successful, the company would seem to be in the pole position for winning another agreement.
At least four other companies – Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Orbital ATK and Sierra Nevada Corporation – have submitted proposals for the CRS2 contract. Orbital ATK current holds the other active CRS contract.
отлично, значит у DC в конкурентах остается только Boeing
ЦитироватьАнтон пишет:
отлично, значит у DC в конкурентах остается только Boeing
А в чём здесь новость-то? Все перечисленные кандидаты уже были известны. И почему у DC в конкурентах только Боинг?
ЦитироватьSam Grey пишет:
ЦитироватьАнтон пишет:
отлично, значит у DC в конкурентах остается только Boeing
А в чём здесь новость-то? Все перечисленные кандидаты уже были известны. И почему у DC в конкурентах только Боинг?
В том что Dragon пока не участвует. Потому что только CST и DC могут возвращать грузы с МКС
ЦитироватьАнтон пишет:
В том что Dragon пока не участвует. Потому что только CST и DC могут возвращать грузы с МКС
Dragon может возвращать грузы с МКС.
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ЦитироватьАнтон пишет:
В том что Dragon пока не участвует. Потому что только CST и DC могут возвращать грузы с МКС
Dragon может возвращать грузы с МКС.
А соединить первое и второе предложение так сложно?
ЦитироватьАнтон пишет:
А соединить первое и второе предложение так сложно?
Зачем что-то соединять с откровенной глупостью?
Цитироватьtestest пишет:
ЦитироватьАнтон пишет:
А соединить первое и второе предложение так сложно?
Зачем что-то соединять с откровенной глупостью?
В чем именно глупость? В пересказывании новости или в констатации очевидных фактов?
ЦитироватьАнтон пишет:
В чем именно глупость? В пересказывании новости или в констатации очевидных фактов?
Вы писали: "Потому что только CST и DC могут возвращать грузы с МКС". Это глупость. Не только CST и DC проктируются с возможностью доставки грузов с МКС. Dragon УЖЕ имеет такую возможность.
Цитироватьtestest пишет:
ЦитироватьАнтон пишет:
В чем именно глупость? В пересказывании новости или в констатации очевидных фактов?
Вы писали: "Потому что только CST и DC могут возвращать грузы с МКС". Это глупость. Не только CST и DC проктируются с возможностью доставки грузов с МКС. Dragon УЖЕ имеет такую возможность.
Т.е. объединить первое и второе предложение и получить "Из оставшихся кандидатов, в виду отсутствия пока заявки Дракона только DC и CST-100 способны возвращать грузы с МКС" вы не можете?
ЦитироватьАнтон пишет:
Т.е. объединить первое и второе предложение и получить "Из оставшихся кандидатов, в виду отсутствия пока заявки Дракона только DC и CST-100 способны возвращать грузы с МКС" вы не можете?
Если объединить два предложения, то получается: Dragon не участвует, потому что он, в отличие от DC и CST, не умеет возвращать грузы. У вас русский язык не родной?
Цитироватьtestest пишет:
ЦитироватьАнтон пишет:
Т.е. объединить первое и второе предложение и получить "Из оставшихся кандидатов, в виду отсутствия пока заявки Дракона только DC и CST-100 способны возвращать грузы с МКС" вы не можете?
Если объединить два предложения, то получается: Dragon не участвует, потому что он, в отличие от DC и CST, не умеет возвращать грузы. У вас русский язык не родной?
А объединить используя более сложные приемы, нежели замена точки на запятую, при прочтении сообщений выше где явно раскрывается смысл высказывания и просто прочтении сообщения на которое я отвечал для Вас очень сложная задача?
ЦитироватьАнтон пишет:
Из оставшихся кандидатов, в виду отсутствия пока заявки Дракона
Подождите. То, что Гвинн ничего не сказала по поводу CRS-2 находясь в Вашингтоне, еще не значит, что СпейсХ не участвует (да и с чего бы вдруг им не участвовать?).
На Насовском сайте по CRS-2 nasa.gov/crs2 (http://procurement.jsc.nasa.gov/crs2/) Спейсы присутствуют в "interested parties list":
http://prod.nais.nasa.gov/eps/eps_data/160022-OTHER-002-002.xlsx
(кстати, рекомендую просмотреть весь список, очень интересно, особенно BO, почему-то Кистлер (??) с имейлом от AOL :), какие-то богом забытые Барриос и Драпер Лаб).
ЦитироватьSam Grey пишет:
ЦитироватьАнтон пишет:
Из оставшихся кандидатов, в виду отсутствия пока заявки Дракона
Подождите. То, что Гвинн ничего не сказала по поводу CRS-2 находясь в Вашингтоне, еще не значит, что СпейсХ не участвует (да и с чего бы вдруг им не участвовать?).
На Насовском сайте по CRS-2 nasa.gov/crs2 (http://procurement.jsc.nasa.gov/crs2/) Спейсы присутствуют в "interested parties list":
http://prod.nais.nasa.gov/eps/eps_data/160022-OTHER-002-002.xlsx
(кстати, рекомендую просмотреть весь список, очень интересно, особенно BO, почему-то Кистлер (??) с имейлом от AOL :) , какие-то богом забытые Барриос и Драпер Лаб).
О, Кистлер все еще жив???
ЦитироватьАнтон пишет:
О, Кистлер все еще жив???
Тот Кистлер был продан с молотка за 25 тысяч и всё оборудование было сдано на металлолом. Но Джордж Френч, основатель Кистлера, владеет тремя компаниями - Rocketplane, Rocketplane Kistler and Rocketplane Global :) От какой из них он решил выразить "заинтересованность" - непонятно.
Он до сих пор в интервью говорит что не всё потеряно, и что они в 2011 году даже наняли "главного летчика-испытателя".
В принципе, по наличию в списке Локхида выводы можно было делать уже тогда, не дожидаясь пока они предъявят миру свой Excalibur.
Интересно присутствие "Парагона" - это те чуваки, которым Марс-One заказал проработку концептуального дизайна своих дерзких замыслов.
Далее - я для себя открыл компанию "САС", на сайте (http://www.specialaerospaceservices.com/Space.html) которой про нее сказано:
Launch Vehicle Development & Integration
SAS specializes in integration of Liquid Russian Propulsion systems (NK-33, NK-43, RD-180, RD-171, RD-0110, RD-0124, RD- 8) and U.S. developed systems (RL-10, RS-68A&B, Merlin and hypergolic engine systems).
SAS has experience in the development of every major launch system currently in development or production in the U.S., including foreign developed systems. We offer this experience in support of our Nation's exploration program and critical national security missions.
Foreign Technology Assessment & Weapons Demilitarization
The SAS team maintains unique experience in understanding and working on former Soviet Union launch systems. The experienced team evaluates emerging aerospace technologies and capabilities. SAS offers unique development perspectives on foreign designed civil and strategic systems. SAS has supported weapons demilitarization in Russia and Ukraine.
SAS team members have performed software safety evaluation, reliability analysis, fishbone and FMEA/FMECA analysis on launch systems, spacecraft, and complex space experiment programs. Our expertise is seen in the design, development, and manufacturing for our Government clients in hardware pedigree reviews and audits. SAS expertise in anomaly investigations, return to flight, and independent failure analysis."
https://twitter.com/TheLurioReport/status/598936485019037697
ЦитироватьCharles A. Lurio
@TheLurioReport
Having been eliminated from CRS2 ISS cargo competition, Lockheed is trying "work some deal" with Boeing on their bid. From separate sources.
12:42 - 14 мая 2015 г.
https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/603923897088647168
ЦитироватьPeter B. de Selding
@pbdes
Orbital CEO: 4 competitors left in Nasa's CRS-2 station-resupply competition, best/final bids seen due by late June, award likely late Sept.
7:00 - 28 мая 2015 г.
ЦитироватьSalo пишет:
https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/603923897088647168
ЦитироватьPeter B. de Selding
@pbdes
Orbital CEO: 4 competitors left in Nasa's CRS-2 station-resupply competition, best/final bids seen due by late June, award likely late Sept.
7:00 - 28 мая 2015 г.
Что-то Дэйв Томпсон разошелся. Ему НАСА давала полномочия говорить, кто там остался, а кто нет? Это что вообще, его конкурс?
Локхид отпал:
ЦитироватьIndustry official: Lockheed Martin no longer in Nasa CRS-2 station resupply competition, which is why Orbital referred to 4 bidders, not 5.
https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/603957211098980352
ЦитироватьApollo13 пишет:
Industry official: Lockheed Martin no longer in Nasa CRS-2 station resupply competition, which is why Orbital referred to 4 bidders, not 5.
жаль, очень интересный был проект с хорошими перспективами по дальнейшей модернизации.
...and at least two contracts are expected to be awarded in June 2015.
Уже июнь 2015 !
ЦитироватьДимитър пишет:
...and at least two contracts are expected to be awarded in June 2015.
Уже июнь 2015 !
WASHINGTON — NASA has pushed back by three months a decision on a new series of contracts to transport cargo to and from the International Space Station, claiming it needs more time to review the proposals it received.
NASA posted a message April 16 on the procurement website for the Commercial Resupply Services (CRS) 2 contract stating that
the estimated award date was now Sept. 16. The site had previously listed an award date of June. That message stated that the agency revised the date "due to additional time required to evaluate proposals."
Подождем еще 3.5 месяца.
А мне хочется Дрийм Чайзера в полет увидеть ...
Продлили старый контракт ещё на год до конца 2018 года:
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=47359
ЦитироватьNASA Solicitation: Commercial Resupply Services - SpaceX and Orbital
[/li]- Status Report Source: Johnson Space Center (http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/)
- Posted Friday, June 19, 2015
Synopsis - Jun 18, 2015 General Information Solicitation Number: NNJ15ZBG003R Posted Date: Jun 18, 2015 FedBizOpps Posted Date: Jun 18, 2015 Recovery and Reinvestment Act Action: No Original Response Date: Jun 22, 2015 Current Response Date: Jun 22, 2015 Classification Code: 18 -- Space vehicles NAICS Code: 541712 Contracting Office Address NASA/Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center, Houston Texas, 77058-3696, Mail Code: BG Description NASA/JSC intends to extend the existing Commercial Resupply Services (CRS) contracts NNJ09GA02B, with Orbital Sciences Corporation, hereinafter referred to as Orbital, and NNJ09GA04B, with Space Exploration Technologies, hereinafter referred to as SpaceX for up to 12 months from December 2017 to December 2018 at no cost. Both contracts were awarded in December 2008 and have a not to exceed (NTE) contract value of 3.1B each. NASA/JSC has a requirement to perform all tasks necessary to ensure safe and reliable cargo integration and transportation to and from the International Space Station (ISS). With the extension of ISS to 2024, NASA intends to procure follow-on Commercial Resupply Services (CRS2) through the life of the program through full and open competition. The extension of the existing CRS contracts allows possible new providers the opportunity to address the readiness requirements necessary to show ISS integration capability before cargo services are required. The Standard Resupply Mission may consist of pressurized upmass delivery, unpressurized upmass delivery, cargo disposal, or cargo return. Cargo includes both NASA-owned cargo and NASA-sponsored cargo and both pressurized and unpressurized payloads. The supplies to be delivered by terms of the contract include air, water, food, clothing, medicine, spare parts, and scientific experiments for use in the U.S. and International Partner experimental modules. The place of performance and launch site is identified in each task order. Both providers are needed to provide these services to reduce the risk to the Agency. Two viable providers are needed to guarantee assured cargo access to the ISS in the event one contractor fails to successfully deliver cargo. An interruption of contract performance would jeopardize the timely delivery of critical cargo. The statutory authority for proceeding with this acquisition under Other Than Full and Open Competition is 10 U.S.C. 2304(c)(1) as contemplated by the provision of FAR 6.302-1(a)(2)(iii), which states that full and open competition need not be provided when the services required by the Agency may be deemed to be available from one original source, in the case of a follow-on contract, for the continued provision of highly specialized services. The provision also states that this exception is applicable when it is likely that award to any other source would result in unacceptable delays in fulfilling the Agencys requirements and substantial duplication of cost to the Government that is not expected to be recovered through competition would be incurred. Both contracts will be extended under this authority. Orbital and SpaceX were required to prove that their vehicles could successfully integrate with the ISS to deliver cargo. This seminal milestone took place under Commercial Orbital Transportation System (COTS) agreements. Demonstrating successful ISS integration is essential to limiting NASAs risk of damage occurring to valuable cargo and/or damage being done to the ISS itself. Orbital demonstrated successful ISS integration in June 2013 and SpaceX demonstrated successful ISS integration in April 2012. Hence, any party that is interested must have demonstrated successful ISS integration upon submission of any response. SpaceX and Orbital are the only U.S. commercial providers who have demonstrated this capability to date. The Government intends to acquire a commercial item using FAR Part 12. Interested organizations may submit their capabilities and qualifications to perform the effort in writing to the identified point of contact not later than 12:00 p.m. local time on June 22, 2015. Such capabilities/qualifications will be evaluated solely for the purpose of determining whether or not to conduct this procurement on a competitive basis. A determination by the Government not to compete this proposed effort on a full and open competition basis, based upon responses to this notice, is solely within the discretion of the government. Oral communications are not acceptable in response to this notice. All responsible sources may submit an offer which shall be considered by the agency.
NASA Clause 1852.215-84, Ombudsman, is applicable. The Center Ombudsman for this acquisition can be found at http://prod.nais.nasa.gov/pub/pub_library/Omb.html . Point of Contact Name: Aneesah K. Vaughn Title: Contracting Officer Phone: 281-244-5329 Fax: 281-244-2370 Email: aneesah.k.vaughn@nasa.gov Name: Adrian D. Clayton Title: Contracting Officer Phone: 281-483-8498 Fax: 281-244-3370 Email: adrian.d.clayton@nasa.gov
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Как-то неудачно SpaceX и Orbital перед конкурсом оплошали то
16 сентября НАСА объявит победителей?
ЦитироватьДимитър пишет:
16 сентября НАСА объявит победителей?
Цитироватьhttp://spaceflightnow.com/2015/08/18/orbital-atk-receivers-orders-for-two-more-iss-cargo-flights/
Orbital ATK receives orders for two more ISS cargo flights
Posted on August 18, 2015 by Stephen Clark
...NASA originally expected to award new CRS-2 contracts in May, but the winners are now scheduled to be announced Nov. 5, according to a post on the agency's website. That is two months later than the previously expected announcement date in September
In the update on its website, NASA said officials needed more time to review revisions to the CRS-2 proposals.
....
Цитироватьhttp://spacenews.com/nasa-orders-two-more-iss-cargo-missions-from-orbital-atk/
NASA Orders Two More ISS Cargo Missions From Orbital ATK
by Dan Leone — August 17, 2015
....
The additional orders coincident with another delay for the awarding of follow-on CRS contracts. Orbital ATK, SpaceX, Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Sierra Nevada Corp. all bid for CRS-2 work and now will all wait until at least November for NASA to make an award.
ссылка на сайт НАСА - http://procurement.jsc.nasa.gov/crs2/ там в подвале
от Lockheed Martin http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/ssc/crs2.html хотя выше пишут что они вышли
А я хочу птичку!
На месте NASA я бы Sierra Nevada поддержал. Обидно что такой задел может пропасть. Для грузо/пассажирского челнока на НОО самая правильная конструкция, да еще и со складывающимися крылышками. Разве что чуть недоразмеренная.
Хочу птичку от СН и паром от локхида!!!
ЦитироватьАнтон пишет:
и паром от локхида!!!
А вот фигвам и прочим любителям кубиков :D
Пересказ на русском:
ЦитироватьВ НАСА отвергли проект доставки орбитальных грузов от Lockheed Martin как слишком сложный и дорогой (http://geektimes.ru/post/263976/)
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Проект космического буксировщика
НАСА отвергло проект Lockheed Martin (http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/10/11/nasa-to-lockheed-martin-no-space-taxis-for-you.aspx), участвовавший в конкурсе на контракт Commercial Resupply Services 2 (CRS-2) — доставка грузов на МКС.
Сумма контракта составляет $14 миллиарда и рассчитан на работу с 2018 по 2024 годы. По слухам, новый контракт разделили между собою Boeing, Sierra Nevada Corporation, SpaceX и Orbital ATK (наследник Orbital Sciences).
Предыдущий контракт стоимостью $6,2 миллиарда, и действующий до 2017 года, поделили две компании, Orbital Sciences и SpaceX. В прошлый раз Lockheed точно так же подавала свою заявку и тоже была отвергнута.
Причина, судя по всему, кроется в чрезмерно сложном и дорогом подходе к решению сравнительно простой задачи. Lockheed предлагала решение из трёх частей (http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_28908355/lockheed-martin-quietly-eliminated-from-nasa-iss-cargo): космический корабль многоразового использования Jupiter, контейнер для грузов Exoliner и роботизированный манипулятор для работы в космосе. Jupiter, несущий на себе Exoliner, запускают на орбиту, после чего Jupiter при помощи роборуки передаёт контейнер на МКС.
Целью Lockheed, предлагавшей нестандартный проект, было получение финансирования от НАСА для разработки корабля многоразового использования и космического буксировщика. Предполагалось, что после полётов Jupiter останется на орбите и станет выполнять другую работу – например, чинить или сталкивать с орбиты вышедшие из строя спутники. Но по какой-то причине космическое агентство предпочло отдать контракт тем, кто выполнит работу проще и дешевле.
Правда, по стоимости контракта тоже есть вопросы. Суть заключения контрактов со сторонними фирмами заключается в том, чтобы сэкономить бюджетные деньги, отдав проект на выполнение той компании, которая сделает это дешевле. В рамках программы планируется в течение семи лет доставить на орбиту порядка 20 тонн груза. Это примерно 280000 фунтов. При этом НАСА рекламировало доставку грузов на орбиту «по $10000 за фунт». Нехитрый подсчёт говорит, что в этом случае стоимость семилетней программы должна была бы составить $2,8 миллиарда – но не $14.
Orbital Sciences Corporation (OSC (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_Sciences_Corporation)) — американская компания, специализирующаяся на производстве космических аппаратов и ракет-носителей. Компания активно участвует в предоставлении международных пусковых услуг. В прошлом году была подписана сделка (http://geektimes.ru/post/243171/)между OSC и российским НПО «Энергомаш» на покупку 60-и российских ракетных двигателей на сумму $1 миллиард.
лучше почитать источники
http://geektimes.ru/post/263976/ сссылаясь на http://www.fool.com/investing (http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/10/11/nasa-to-lockheed-martin-no-space-taxis-for-you.aspx) а они в свою очередь http://www.denverpost.com/ (http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_28908355/lockheed-martin-quietly-eliminated-from-nasa-iss-cargo), а они с The Wall Street Journal (http://www.wsj.com/articles/lockheed-martin-eliminated-from-nasas-cargo-competition-1443725840)
нигде не пишут о официальных словах NASA о проигрыше проекта, да и уже хоронили намного ранее..... непонятно почему сейчас проект всплыл, когда до объявлении результатов или переноса осталось несколько месяцев
Цитироватьhttp://www.wsj.com/articles/lockheed-martin-eliminated-from-nasas-cargo-competition-1443725840
Lockheed Martin Eliminated From NASA's Cargo Competition
By ANDY PASZTOR
Upd ated Oct. 1, 2015 3:06 p.m. ET
NASA has quietly eliminated Lockheed Martin Corp. from a pending multibillion-dollar competition to ship cargo to the international space station, according to people familiar with the matter.
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The decision, which hasn't been disclosed publicly, poses a setback to Lockheed's plans to accelerate development of enhanced space-exploration capabilities.
Company officials had hoped a NASA contract would provide technical steppingstones—and a financial boost—for preliminary work on robotic vehicles, reusable space tugs and in-orbit refueling capabilities that will be needed for manned and unmanned missions deep into the solar system.
Such technologies are expected to take decades to become operational.
The National Aeronautics and Space Administration made its decision this past summer, according to the people familiar with the matter, and since then it has been a topic of discussion in industry circles. NASA made the call largely on the basis of price, according to one of these people.
Officials from NASA and the aerospace giant declined to comment on the status of Lockheed's bid.
A company spokeswoman reiterated that its bid sketched out an "affordable, high-capacity space station resupply" option featuring a path forward "through technologies that will power future human deep-space missions."
Industry officials said Lockheed is expected to continue pursuing many of those same long-term goals, though probably at a slower pace, while it seeks to snare other federal dollars or related commercial business.
Slated to be announced in early November, NASA's coming awards will be the next phase of cargo-delivery contracts currently totaling as much as $6.2 billion that the agency issued years ago to Elon Musk's Space Exploration Technologies Corp. and a predecessor company to Orbital ATK Inc.
Both of those companies remain in the running for additional commercial cargo awards, along with Boeing Co. and Sierra Nevada Corp.
NASA may decide to issue multiple contracts totaling a maximum of $14 billion, with launches scheduled to start in 2018.
The agency has said it may someday need contractors to transport more than 20 tons of cargo annually.
Picking the winners has been postponed three times since the fall of 2014, while NASA officials weighed price and reliability issues.
Both SpaceX and Orbital ATK are rebounding from high-profile, unmanned launch failures that se t back deliveries of essential supplies, experiments and other material to the orbiting international laboratory.
Lockheed and its team of Canadian and European partners submitted a proposal to NASA late last year that was substantially more complex and technically challenging than rival offers from the two incumbents, which have operated rockets and capsules essentially designed to serve as bare-bones space resupply systems.
Lockheed has said its ultimate goals include creating durable habitats for astronauts or even space tourists; in-orbit servicing vehicles equipped with robotic arms; and autonomous spacecraft intended to remain in use for long periods and able to carry out a variety of missions.
Such advances also could entail pre-positioning supplies of food, water, fuel and ultimately, parts that could be assembled to create a spacecraft in zero gravity.
At a conference in Pasadena, Calif., in August, a high-ranking Lockheed Martin space official stressed the long-term implications of such ambitious technologies.
Of the capabilities under development, the one most likely to be adopted first is using a special-purpose vehicle, or automated space tug, to keep aging satellites in their proper orbits after their fuel is depleted.
"We're now on the threshold," said David Markham, vice president of advanced programs for the company's space systems unit.
Write to Andy Pasztor at andy.pasztor@wsj.com
Цитироватьhttp://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_28908355/lockheed-martin-quietly-eliminated-from-nasa-iss-cargo
Lockheed Martin quietly eliminated from NASA ISS cargo competition
Contract award would have brought engineering, production, testing, and mission operations work to Colorado
By Laura Keeney
The Denver Post
POSTED: 10/01/2015 (1 октября 2015)
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This rendering depicts Lockheed Martin's Jupiter spacecraft and Exoliner cargo carrier connected to the International Space Station. (Steve Hartman)
Littleton-based Lockheed Martin Space Systems has been quietly eliminated from NASA's multibillion-dollar competition to ferry cargo to and from the International Space Station.
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The decision, which wasn't disclosed publicly, nixes the company's bid for a piece of the $14 billion Commercial Resupply Services-2 contract, people familiar with the matter told The Wall Street Journal.
Lockheed Martin submitted its CRS-2 bid design in March: a three-part system consisting of the Jupiter reusable spacecraft, Exoliner cargo container and a long robotic arm inspired by a similar appendage on the space shuttle.
The contract would have directly impacted Colorado. Engineering, production and testing would have been done in Littleton, company spokeswoman Allison Rakes said in March.
About 5,500 people work at Lockheed Martin Space Systems, making it Jefferson County's largest employer, according to data from the county's Economic Development Corporation.
Engineers at the Waterton Canyon facility would also have led mission operations for the Jupiter spacecraft, Rakes said.
NASA made its decision on Lockheed Martin's bid over the summer, people familiar with the matter told The Wall Street Journal. Since then, it has been a topic of discussion in industry circles. One of these people said NASA made the call largely on the basis of price.
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Picking the contract winners, which NASA is expected to award in November, has been postponed three times since last fall while officials weighed price and reliability issues. NASA might issue multiple CRS-2 awards for a maximum of $14 billion.
The CRS-2 contracts, which run from 2018 to 2024, are the next phase of the cargo-delivery contracts totaling as much as $6 billion that NASA issued years ago to Space Exploration Technologies Corp. and Orbital Sciences, the predecessor company to Orbital ATK Inc.
Both Orbital ATK and SpaceX remain in the running for the latest commercial cargo awards. Both companies operate rockets and capsules designed to serve as bare-bones space-resupply systems.
Lockheed Martin's bid proposal was more complex and technically challenging.
Also in the running are Boeing Co. and Louisville-based Sierra Nevada Space Systems, with its folding-wing reusable spaceship design called the Dream Chaser Cargo System.
The CRS-2 award would have given Lockheed Martin the technical steppingstones and financial boost to accelerate development of the Jupiter and Exoliner, with the eventual goal being a spacecraft and cargo container for enhanced use.
In other words, the company wants to create durable habitats for astronauts, in-orbit servicing vehicles and pre-positioned interstellar mini-marts that provide fuel, equipment, food and, ultimately, parts that could be assembled to build a spacecraft in zero gravity.
Rakes said Thursday that the company's proposal was designed to be forward-thinking and advance humanity's reach into space while also serving the space station's needs.
"We feel that our proposal offers value today through affordable, high-capacity space station resupply, and a path forward for tomorrow through technologies that will power future human deep-space missions," Rakes said. "Those missions will need crew habitats, servicing vehicles and autonomous in-space robotic operations. Our CRS-2 solution is designed to lay the groundwork for all of those important capabilities."
Such technologies are expected to take decades to become operational. Of the capabilities under development, the one most likely to be adopted first is a space tug to keep aging satellites in their proper orbits after their fuel is depleted.
At a conference in Pasadena, Calif., in August, a high-ranking Lockheed Martin space official stressed the long-term implications of such ambitious technologies.
"We're now on the threshold," said David Markham, vice president of advanced programs for the company's space systems unit.
Industry officials said Lockheed Martin is expected to continue pursuing many of its long-term goals, though probably at a slower pace, while it seeks other federal dollars or related commercial business.
NASA has said it might need contractors to eventually transport more than 20 tons of cargo annually. A NASA spokeswoman Thursday said the agency is in "procurement blackout" and could not comment on the bid or on Lockheed Martin's elimination.
Dow Jones Newswires contributed to this report.
Laura Keeney: 303-954-1337, lkeeney@denverpost.com or @LauraKeeney
Цитироватьpnetmon пишет:
непонятно почему сейчас проект всплыл, когда до объявлении результатов или переноса осталось несколько месяцев
На спейсовском реддите дата обозначена как пятое ноября, т.е. через три недели уже.
Да, с месяцами я дал лишку. Выше приводил ссылку на сайт НАСА где так же стояло 5 ноября. Статьи были опубликованы 1 октября - больше месяца до планируемой даты объявлений результатов.
Цитироватьссылка на сайт НАСА - http://procurement.jsc.nasa.gov/crs2/ там в подвале Цитировать9/10/15 Cargo resupply continues to be a high priority for the ISS Program and the Agency. Evaluation of the proposals continues and NASA remains on schedule to support the November 5th award date.Спойлер
8/7/15 Updated the Milestone Schedule to reflect an updated award date to provide additional time to evaluate Final Proposal Revisions (FPRs).
4/16/15 Updated the Milestone Schedule Award date due to additional time required to evaluate proposals.
12/2/14 Updated the milestone schedule to reflect a new contract award date.
12/1/14 Updated Contact Information.
11/17/14 Posted Amendment 4 to the RFP with Questions and Answers Round 4.
11/13/14 Posted new documents to the technical library.
11/6/14 Posted Amendment 3 to the RFP with Questions and Answers Round 3. Posted the Interested Parties List.
10/28/14 Posted Amendment 2 to the RFP with Questions and Answers Round 2. Updated the Milestone Schedule.
10/15/14 Posted Amendment 1 to the RFP with Questions and Answers Round 1.
9/25/14 Posted Modification 4 to the Pre-Solicitation Synopsis and the Request for Proposal. Updated the Milestone Schedule.
9/23/14 Posted Modification 3 to the Pre-Solicitation Synopsis and Additional Questions and Answers.
8/8/14 Updated the Milestone Schedule.
8/7/14 Posted Modification 2 to the Pre-Solicitation Synopsis with the Draft Request for Proposal Questions and Answers and the PRe-Proposal Conference Charts.
7/30/14 Modification 1 was posted to the Pre-Solicitation Synopsis.
6/17/14 Posted Multiple documents to the Technical Library.
6/16/14 Posted the Pre-Solicitation Synopsis, the Draft Request for Proposal and updated the Milestone Schedule.
6/10/14 Posted Modification 4 to the RFI and Questions and Answers Round to to Industry Day.
5/19/14 Updated the Milestone Schedule.
4/28/14 Posted Modification 3 to the RFI with the Industry Day Questions and Answers.
4/14/14 Posted Modification 2 to the RFI and the Interested Parties List.
4/11/14 Updated the Milestone schedule to reflect the actual date of Industry day.
4/9/14 Posted Modification 1 to the Industry Day Synopsis and the Industry Day Charts.
3/26/14 Posted the Industry Day Synopsis.
3/11/14 Updated the Milestone Schedule to reflect the RFI actual date and the Planned Industry Day date.
2/21/14 Posted Modification 1 to the RFI.
2/21/14 Posted documents to the technical library. Posted the RFI.
2/4/14 Created Site.
До 5 ноября неделя осталась. ...
ЦитироватьChris B - NSF @NASASpaceflight (https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight) 13 мин.13 минут назад (https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/662227250046177280)No notice of a presser for the CRS2 announcement today. Overnight note claims it's delayed to next year! (@SciGuySpace (https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace) hearing delay too)
Однако поворот:
https://twitter.com/flatoday_jdean/status/662329945918742528
ЦитироватьBreaking: Boeing confirms it has been eliminated from NASA's CRS2 competition.
статья http://spacenews.com/nasa-delays-award-of-commercial-cargo-contracts-again-drops-boeing/
но правда ожидаемо, т.к. обе компании по CRS1 крайней миссией имеют аварию.
на http://procurement.jsc.nasa.gov/crs2/ в подвале
Цитировать11/5/15 The anticipated CRS2 award is now no later than January 30, 2016 to allow additional time for the Government to assess proposals.
Еще 3 иесяца ждать. Запасаемся попкорном...
А про Боинг правда!?
ЦитироватьАлександр Ч. пишет:
Однако поворот:
https://twitter.com/flatoday_jdean/status/662329945918742528
ЦитироватьBreaking: Boeing confirms it has been eliminated from NASA's CRS2 competition.
Небольшой шанс для Дрим Чейзера.
ЦитироватьДимитър пишет:
А про Боинг правда!?
Да, Боинг подтвердил (поиск по быстрому в твиттере):
ЦитироватьStephen Clark @StephenClark1 (https://twitter.com/StephenClark1) 16 ч.16 часов назад (https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/status/662367707766071297)Regarding CRS-2 contract: Boeing confirms it's eliminated from contention, Orbital ATK still in the competition. SpaceX declines comment
ЦитироватьApollo13 пишет:
Небольшой шанс для Дрим Чейзера.
Ага, они пока в конкурсе:
ЦитироватьJeff Foust @jeff_foust (https://twitter.com/jeff_foust) 17 ч.17 часов назад (https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/662352280277024768)SNC tells me they're still in CRS-2 competition; were told NASA "decided to re-open discussions with offerors in the competitive range."
Статья от Кларка NASA delays cargo award again, eliminates Boeing from contention (http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/11/05/nasa-delays-cargo-award-again-eliminates-boeing-from-contention/)
ЦитироватьPosted on November 5, 2015 by Stephen Clark (http://spaceflightnow.com/author/stephen-clark/)
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A SpaceX Dragon cargo craft is seen grappled by the International Space Station's robotic arm. Credit: NASA
NASA has delayed the award of new contracts for cargo transportation services between Earth and the International Space Station, and eliminated an uncrewed version of Boeing's human-rated CST-100 Starliner capsule from the competition, officials said Thursday.
The agency upd ated a procurement website Thursday, when the cargo deals were previously scheduled to be awarded, saying the second round of Commercial Resupply Services, or CRS-2, contracts would be announced no later than Jan. 30, 2016.
The notice said the delay will "allow additional time for the government to assess proposals."
NASA is expected to pick at least two companies for CRS-2 contract awards to ensure multiple independent providers can deliver equipment to the space station.
NASA distributed letters Thursday to companies that submitted bids in the CRS-2 competition. Agency officials projected awards in April 2015 when NASA released the CRS-2 request for proposals in September 2014, but that date slipped to June, then September, and to Nov. 5 before today's update.
"CRS-2 is a complex procurement," said Dan Huot, a spokesperson at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. "The anticipated award date has been revised to no later than January 30, 2016, to allow time to complete a thorough proposal evaluation and selection."
Huot said NASA cannot answer questions about the procurement because the agency is still in the process of evaluating proposals.
Kelly Kaplan, a Boeing spokesperson, confirmed that NASA told the company its proposal to use a cargo version of the CST-100 Starliner capsule for resupply missions was no longer under consideration.
The CST-100 crew capsule is one of two commercial spacecraft — along with SpaceX's Crew Dragon — in development to ferry astronauts to and from the space station beginning by the end of 2017.
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Artist's concept of Boeing's CST-100 Starliner crew capsule docking with the International Space Station. Credit: NASA
Orbital ATK and Sierra Nevada officials said they are still in the running for new cargo contracts.
"We can confirm that we are still competing for CRS-2, but we do not have any comments specific to the delay in the contract award announcement," said Sean Wilson, an Orbital ATK spokesperson. "We will continue to respond to any additional NASA requests for information. In the meantime, we are 100 percent focused on our upcoming CRS-1 missions and returning Antares to flight in early 2016."
NASA sel ected Orbital ATK and SpaceX for multibillion-dollar cargo contracts in 2008. Orbital ATK has launched three operational flights to the space station under its CRS contract, with one failure, and SpaceX has launched seven times, also with one failure.
Sierra Nevada refocused development of its Dream Chaser space plane over the last year after losing to Boeing and SpaceX in the commercial crew program. The company received notification Thursday "that the government has decided to re-open discussions with offerers in the competitive range for NASA's CRS-2 contract," according to Krystal Scordo, a spokesperson for Sierra Nevada's Colorado-based space division.
"SNC was sel ected to re-open discussions regarding its CRS-2 proposal," Scordo wrote in an email to Spaceflight Now.
Sierra Nevada says the Dream Chaser space plane is an all-in-one cargo vehicle, with capability to deliver pressurized and unpressurized equipment, dispose of trash with a detachable cargo module, and come back to Earth with research specimens and hardware in need of refurbishment. The lifting body spaceship, which is designed to launch on top of United Launch Alliance's Atlas 5 rocket, is designed to return to Earth for a runway landing.
A SpaceX spokesperson declined comment on the CRS-2 competition before NASA makes its awards.
The fifth company to publicly disclose its commercial cargo proposal, Lockheed Martin, said it would not comment on its status in a pending procurement. Industry sources have said Lockheed Martin's resupply concept was ousted from the competition earlier this year, but the company has not addressed the reports.
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Artist's concept of Lockheed Martin's Jupiter/Exoliner cargo resupply platform. Credit: Lockheed Martin
Lockheed Martin's bid included a two-part cargo system featuring the newly-developed Jupiter spacecraft and Exoliner cargo module. The Jupiter satellite would rendezvous with expendable Exoliner supply containers in orbit, ferry them to the space station, then dispose of them.
Officials said the Jupiter spacecraft would be capable of reuse on many missions, loitering in orbit between Exoliner supply launches.
"We feel that our proposal offers value today through affordable, high-capacity space station resupply, and a path forward for tomorrow, through technologies that will power future human deep space missions," said Allison Rakes, a Lockheed Martin spokesperson, in a statement released to Spaceflight Now. "Those missions will need crew habitats, servicing vehicles, and autonomous in-space robotic operations. Our CRS-2 solution is designed to lay the groundwork for all of those important capabilities."
SpaceX and Orbital ATK managers have not unveiled details of their CRS-2 proposals, such as potential upgrades to build on their existing Dragon and Cygnus spacecraft.
Citing delays in the CRS-2 competition, space station managers ordered extra resupply missions from Orbital ATK and SpaceX earlier this year. The additional flights, couched as contract options under the original CRS-1 agreements, give SpaceX a total of 15 cargo launches and Orbital ATK 10 missions, including logistics flights already completed.
Huot said Thursday NASA has not added any more missions to the existing CRS-1 contracts beyond the 15 SpaceX launches and 10 Orbital flights.
The further delay in the cargo award announcement likely means SpaceX and Orbital ATK will resume cargo flights before NASA reveals the CRS-2 contract winners.
Orbital's Cygnus supply freighter is due for launch Dec. 3 aboard ULA's Atlas 5 booster from Cape Canaveral. ULA is looking at whether the liftoff could be moved forward a day, according to Sam Scimemi, director of the International Space Station program at NASA Headquarters.
The next two Cygnus cargo flights are booked to launch on Atlas 5 rockets in December and March while Orbital ATK outfits its Antares booster with new engines to replace the old engines it blames for a launch failure in October 2014. Antares launches are expected to pick up the rest of Orbital's CRS-1 cargo contract beginning in May 2016 from Wallops Island, Virginia.
Scimemi said preparations for SpaceX's next Dragon resupply run — the eighth operational Dragon mission — are proceeding on track for a Jan. 3 launch date, but the schedule depends on flights ahead of the cargo mission in SpaceX's Falcon 9 launch queue.
The Falcon 9 is returning to flight after a June 28 launch mishap, with 11 communications satellites for Orbcomm se t for liftoff fr om Cape Canaveral in early December. Another Falcon 9 launch with the SES 9 television broadcasting satellite will follow with liftoff fr om Florida in late December.
Email (mailto:sclark@spaceflightnow.com) the author.
Follow Stephen Clark on Twitter: @StephenClark1 (http://www.twitter.com/stephenclark1/).
ЦитироватьApollo13 пишет:
Небольшой шанс для Дрим Чейзера.
Очень хочется чтобы птычка полетела. Но шанс правда небольшой ...
https://twitter.com/NASA/status/687745144594890754
Цитировать (https://img.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/185339.jpg) NASA Подлинная учетная запись @NASA (https://twitter.com/NASA)
Bright future! We sel ected @OrbitalATK (https://twitter.com/OrbitalATK), @SNCspacesystems (https://twitter.com/SNCspacesystems) & @SpaceX (https://twitter.com/SpaceX) to deliver @Space_Station (https://twitter.com/Space_Station) cargo fr om 2019-2024. http://snpy.tv/1Q924RA (https://t.co/x8ySCauWck)
ЦитироватьSalo пишет:
https://twitter.com/NASA/status/687745144594890754
ЦитироватьNASA Подлинная учетная запись @ NASA
Bright future! We sel ected @ OrbitalATK , @ SNCspacesystems & @ SpaceX to deliver @ Space_Station cargo fr om 2019-2024. http://snpy.tv/1Q924RA (https://t.co/x8ySCauWck)
Рад за SNC, очень уж хочется увидеть их Дрим Чейзер в космосе
Из этой новости впечатление что капсула Боинга в грузовом варианте не будет использоваться. Стоимостью и размерами не вышла?
p.s. добавлено позднее
Цитировать http://www.spacepolicyonline.com/news/nasa-again-delays-award-of-crs2-commercial-cargo-contracts-boeing-out
05-Nov-2015
...
This afternoon, Boeing confirmed to SpacePolicyOnline.com that it was notified by NASA that it has been eliminated from the competition. In an email, Kelly Kaplan said the company is "confirming that we received a letter today letting us know we were eliminated." She had no further comment at this time.
...
"Из этой новости впечатление что капсула Боинга в грузовом варианте не будет использоваться. " - а она нужна для этого?
Цитироватьpnetmon пишет:
Из этой новости впечатление что капсула Боинга в грузовом варианте не будет использоваться. Стоимостью и размерами не вышла?
Давно было известно.
Цитироватьpnetmon пишет:
Из этой новости впечатление что капсула Боинга в грузовом варианте не будет использоваться. Стоимостью и размерами не вышла?
Так они же даже в финал не вышли - давно было ясно, что они "не повезут".
Очень рад за SNC. Надеюсь, что после грузовика они птичку до пилотируемого варианта доведут.
Никто не в курсе - планы тестового полета DC в ноябре 2016 года отменены, или еще актуальны?
Думаю за такими "птичками" будущее в отличии от капсул а-ля 1970-е. )))
так и птичка из 70х
Цитироватьsilentpom пишет:
так и птичка из 70х
Это "Спираль" чтоль? Она опередила время.
«Это — фантастика. Нужно заниматься реальным делом» Минобороны Гречко
Цитироватьhttps://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-awards-international-space-station-cargo-transport-contracts
Jan. 15, 2016 16-007
NASA Awards International Space Station Cargo Transport Contracts
NASA has awarded three cargo contracts to ensure the critical science, research and technology demonstrations that are informing the agency's journey to Mars are delivered to the International Space Station (ISS) from 2019 through 2024. The agency unveiled its selection of Orbital ATK of Dulles, Virginia; Sierra Nevada Corporation of Sparks, Nevada; and SpaceX of Hawthorne, California to continue building on the initial resupply partnerships with two American companies.
These Commercial Resupply Services (CRS-2) contracts are designed to obtain cargo delivery services to the space station, disposal of unneeded cargo, and the return of research samples and other cargo from the station back to NASA.
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"Few would have imagined back in 2010 when President Barack Obama pledged that NASA would work 'with a growing array of private companies competing to make getting to space easier and more affordable,' that less than six years later we'd be able to say commercial carriers have transported 35,000 pounds of space cargo (and counting!) to the International Space Station -- or that we'd be so firmly on track to return launches of American astronauts to the ISS from American soil on American commercial carriers. But that is exactly what is happening," said NASA Administrator Charles Bolden. "Today's announcement is a big deal that will move the president's vision further into the future."
The contracts, which begin upon award, guarantee a minimum of six cargo resupply missions from each provider. The contracts also include funding ISS integration, flight support equipment, special tasks and studies, and NASA requirement changes.
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"The second generation of commercial cargo services to low-Earth orbit begins today," said Kirk Shireman, ISS Program manager at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. "By engaging American companies for cargo transportation, we can focus our attention on using this one-of-a-kind laboratory in the sky to continue advancing scientific knowledge for the benefit of all humanity."
Selecting multiple providers assures access to ISS so crew members can continue to conduct the vital research of the National Lab. Awarding multiple contracts provides more options and reduces risk through a variety of launch options and mission types, providing the ISS program a robust portfolio of cargo services that will be necessary to maximize the utility of the station.
NASA has not yet ordered any missions, but will make a total of six selections from each menu of mission options at fixed prices, as needed. Each task order has milestones with specified amounts and performance dates. Each mission requires complex preparation and several years of lead time. Discussions and engineering assessments will begin soon, leading to integration activities later this year to ensure all space station requirements are met, with the first missions beginning in late 2019.
"These resupply flights will be conducted in parallel with our Commercial Crew Program providers' flights that enable addition of a seventh astronaut to the International Space Station. This will double the amount of crew time to conduct research," said Julie Robinson, chief scientist for the ISS Program. "These missions will be vital for delivering the experiments and investigations that will enable NASA and our partners to continue this important research."
The agency applied knowledge gained from the first commercial resupply contracts with Orbital ATK and SpaceX and required a number of key enhancements for these contracts. This includes starting with a requirement for a minimum of six missions as opposed to delivery of metric tons; a variety of delivery, return and disposal capabilities for both pressurized and unpressurized cargo, as well as an optional accelerated return; and the addition of an insurance requirement to cover damage to government property during launch services, reentry services or transportation to, from, in proximity of, or docking with the space station.
While the maximum potential value of all contracts is $14 billion from 2016 through 2024, NASA will order missions, as needed, and the total prices paid under the contract will depend on which mission types are ordered.
"We plan to order services based on our current estimates of station needs, which provides NASA important flexibility to maximize the use of the space station," said Shireman. "We look forward to beginning work with these new contractors to understand the details of the services that they have proposed and understand the details of how these services will benefit ISS. The indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity contract enables us to adjust as necessary for additional missions or contingencies so we can provide the greatest benefits possible from this great international asset."
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NASA's service contracts to resupply the space station have changed the way the agency does business in low-Earth orbit. With these contracts, NASA continues to advance commercial spaceflight and the American jobs it creates.
For 15 years, humans have been living continuously aboard the space station to advance scientific knowledge and demonstrate new technologies, making research breakthroughs not possible on Earth that also will enable long-duration human and robotic exploration into deep space. A truly global endeavor, more than 200 people from 15 countries have visited the unique microgravity laboratory that has hosted more than 1,700 research investigations from researchers in more than 83 countries. For more information on the space station and its crew members, visit:http://www.nasa.gov/station
For breaking news and features, follow the International Space Station on Twitter at : https://twitter.com/Space_Station
ЦитироватьAstro Cat пишет:
Цитироватьsilentpom пишет:
так и птичка из 70х
Это "Спираль" чтоль? Она опередила время.
«Это — фантастика. Нужно заниматься реальным делом» Минобороны Гречко
лапоть как лапоть, несущие корпуса были в 60ые. А время там опередил двигатель на фторе. Птичка в спирали была самым простым компонентом
Можно предполагать что после SRC2 выберут для всего (и для пилотажки и для грузовых миссии) только один аппарат из имеющихся? Конечно при условии что они нужны будут на НОО после 2024-года? Тоже очень рад за SNC. Не понимаю зачем нужно 3 грузовика и 2 пилотажки
ЦитироватьQuооndo пишет:
Можно предполагать что после SRC2 выберут для всего (и для пилотажки и для грузовых миссии) только один аппарат из имеющихся? Конечно при условии.....Не понимаю зачем нужно 3 грузовика и 2 пилотажки
А разницу между грузовиками можешь привести ;)
Если после 2024 будет станция в лагранже то по крайней мере драконы и сигнус можно пристроить туда пересадив на более мощные рн. Старлайнер наверняка тоже. Также есть презентация орбитал с сигнусом в качестве бо для Ориона для полетов к Луне. Так что всем кроме самолетика работа найдётся.
ЦитироватьQuооndo пишет:
Можно предполагать что после SRC2 выберут для всего (и для пилотажки и для грузовых миссии) только один аппарат из имеющихся?
нет, такого не будет. будет сохранен принцип гарантированности, т.е. минимум 2 поставщика одной услуги
здесь много интересного про желаемое и новинки http://www.americaspace.com/?p=90655
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Joe
January 15, 2016 at 2:06 pm · Reply
Interesting and informative article:
(1) Six year contract beginning in 2019. Does CRS1 now extend to the end of 2018?
(2) Minimum 18 and Maximum 24 (average of four flights per year) flights during the period.
(3) Up-mass between 5,500 lbs to 11,000 lbs (only Sierra Nevada capable of meeting max).
(4) Maximum cost of $14B.
NASA certainly appears to have learned something from the CRS1 contract. There are no specified metrics by which CRS2 can be independently evaluated. Guess we will just have to take their word everything is going great.
Still, making an attempt a bounding the situation, if you assume:
(1) The maximum 24 flights.
(2) The maximum $14B.
(3) Each Flight carries the 11,000 lb max. (Which only Sierra Nevada could do).
That would come to $53,000/lb.
As compared to the agreed to (but unmet) CRS1 figures:
(1) Orbital Sciences $43,000/lb.
(2) SpaceX $36,000/lb.
ЦитироватьДимитър пишет:
(1) Six year contract beginning in 2019. Does CRS1 now extend to the end of 2018?
Вопрос конечно хороший. В расписании пусков (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum14/topic9573/message1454565/#message1454565) обозначение меняется на USTV-... в начале 2018 календарного года и продолжается в 2020 году
(в early - Cygnus OA-10e (CRS1) - Antares-230 - MARS LP-0A наверное ошиблись CRS1
0)
ЦитироватьApollo13 пишет:
Если после 2024 будет станция в лагранже то по крайней мере драконы и сигнус можно пристроить туда пересадив на более мощные рн. Старлайнер наверняка тоже. Также есть презентация орбитал с сигнусом в качестве бо для Ориона для полетов к Луне. Так что всем кроме самолетика работа найдётся.
Не получится пристроить...
Рождённый ползать, летать не может!
Что рожденному для завоевания галактики Дракону какой-то несчастный Лагранж? :)
http://procurement.jsc.nasa.gov/sss/CRS2%20Source%20Selection%20Statement.pdf (архив (https://web.archive.org/web/20160206122549/http://procurement.jsc.nasa.gov/sss/CRS2%20Source%20Selection%20Statement.pdf))
Source Selection Statement for the ISS Commercial Resupply Services 2 (CRS2) Contract National Aeronautics and Space Administration (Solicitation Number NNJ14507542R)
Цитировать http://spacenews.com/nasa-offers-more-details-on-cargo-contract-decision/
NASA offers more details on cargo contract decision
by Jeff Foust — February 5, 2016
WASHINGTON — NASA documents about the selection of commercial cargo contracts announced in January show that SpaceX had the highest technical ratings of the three winning companies, but also, by one metric, the highest price.
NASA released Feb. 5 the source selection statement for the Commercial Resupply Services (CRS) 2 contracts, which the agency awarded Jan. 14 to Orbital ATK, Sierra Nevada Corporation (SNC) and SpaceX to transport cargo to and from the International Space Station. The statement provides details about NASA's evaluation of the CRS-2 proposals and the rationale for selecting the winning companies.
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The source selection statement also confirmed that, beyond the three winning companies, Boeing and Lockheed Martin were the only others to submit proposals. The document, however, offers few details about why those companies failed to win contracts.
According to the statement, an initial review of the proposals submitted in December 2014 found that Lockheed Martin was not in the "competitive range" and thus was no longer considered for evaluation. NASA contacted the other four companies in May 2015, who upd ated their proposals by July.
In November, NASA decided to narrow the competitive range of CRS-2 proposals again, excluding those proposals "that were no longer among the most highly rated." That dropped Boeing from the competition, although the source selection statement gave no additional information on what se t Boeing apart from the other three companies.
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Однако занятно что SpaceX предложил самую большую стоимость
http://spacenews.com/spacex-wins-5-new-space-station-cargo-missions-in-nasa-contract-estimated-at-700-million/
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ЦитироватьSpaceX wins 5 new space station cargo missions in NASA contract estimated at $700 million
NASA has awarded five additional space station cargo-supply missions to SpaceX in a late-December contract with an undisclosed value that industry officials estimate at around $700 million.
The contract, signed just before Christmas, was not announced at the time by either party but has been confirmed by both. It brings to 20 the number of missions now assigned to SpaceX under the Commercial Resupply Services (CRS) contract first signed in 2008.
In contrast, the other company performing CRS missions, Orbital ATK of Dulles, Virginia, has been assigned just 10 flights and was not part of the end-year orders.
NASA spokeswoman Cheryl M. Warner did not directly address whether the new contracts were competed.
"We order resupply flights from our commercial providers via the contract modification process based on the mission needs to resupply the international space station," Warner said Feb. 23.
Hawthorne, California-based SpaceX and Orbital ATK signed separate CRS contracts in 2008. The contract has proved resistant to outside analysis because both NASA and its suppliers have invoked commercial sensitivity in declining to disclose details.
It has become only more complicated with the passage of time.
Originally designed as a service arrangement wherein NASA pays for an agreed-to amount of cargo delivered to the station, the CRS terms and conditions have evolved to account for the number of launchers involved, and not just the kilograms delivered, NASA spokeswoman Stephanie L. Schierholz said Feb. 23.
For example, the Orbital contract included an 11th launch, which was subsequently spread out over other missions, she said.
SpaceX's original CRS contract was valued at $1.6 billion and was to cover the delivery of 20,000 kilograms of supplies to the space station. The original estimate was that this would cover 12 launches of the SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket and its Dragon cargo capsule, which is capable of returning experiment hardware to Earth once its mission to the space station is completed.
Orbital's contract was valued at $1.9 billion and was intended to cover eight launches of Orbital's Antares rocket, which unlike Falcon 9 had not yet flown when the CRS work was booked. The Orbital Cygnus canister is burned up in the atmosphere after each mission and is not able to return payload to Earth.
Both companies booked further CRS orders – the 9th and 10th mission for Orbital, and the 13th, 14th and 15th for SpaceX – in early 2015 as part of CRS contract extensions. SpaceX President Gwynne Shotwell said at the time that the SpaceX work was valued at about $150 million per mission for the three new orders. SpaceX's original CRS contract averaged $133.3 million per launch mission.
Schierholz said CRS is being managed as an indefinite-delivery, indefinite-quantity contract with Orbital and SpaceX under which the companies are promised a maximum of $3.1 billion each. But there is no guarantee that this figure will be reached.
Under such an arrangement, NASA is free to pursue work orders with one or the other contractor without running competitive bids for each mission.
NASA in January contracted with three companies – Orbital and SpaceX, plus Sierra Nevada Corp. of Sparks, Nevada – for a CRS-2 contract covering cargo missions between 2019 and 2024.
Each company has been promised a minimum of six missions under the contract, which will cost NASA up to $14 billion between 2016 and 2024. The exact budget will depend on the mix of vehicles needed to meet the station's requirements at the time.
NASA said in its statement on CRS-2 that SpaceX and Orbital combined had delivered around 16,000 kilograms of cargo to the orbital complex.
It is unclear whether the December award to SpaceX indicates that Orbital's Cygnus is falling out of favor with the agency as it assesses space station requirements in the coming years.
"NASA assigns the CRS missions using ISS requirements as the primary determinant for the award," Orbital spokeswoman Vicki Cox said Feb. 24. "We are ready to support additional cargo resupply flights based on NASA's requirements and specific needs for future missions."
SpaceX заключила контракт на 5 дополнительных миссий. Точная сумма неизвестна, но ее оценивают в 700 млн (140 млн за миссию). Ранее был заключен контракт на 3 дополнительных миссии по 150 млн за каждую.
Максимальная сумма, обещанная SpaceX и Orbital ATK - 3,1 млрд каждой, но она может быть и не достигнута.
Потенциально НАСА может потратить на CRS 14 млрд с 2016 по 2024. Но при цене миссии в 150 млн получается 93 миссии или 10 в год, что маловероятно.
https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/705012358209527808
ЦитироватьPeter B. de Selding@pbdes (https://twitter.com/pbdes)
Orbital CEO: We are hoping for 1-2 more NASA gapfiller CRS cargo missions to the space station before the big CRS-2 contract starts in 2019.
Орбитал АТК надеются получить от НАСА еще 1-2 грузовых миссии до начала действия CRS-2 в 2019.
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2016/02/16/spacex-highest-crs2-score-mission-cost/
NASA'S RESPONSE TO SPACEX'S JUNE 2015 LAUNCH FAILURE: IMPACTS ON COMMERCIAL RESUPPLY OF THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION
https://oig.nasa.gov/audits/reports/FY16/IG-16-025.pdf
Цитировать (https://img.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/29262.jpg) Jeff Foust @jeff_foust (https://twitter.com/jeff_foust) 14 ч.14 часов назад (https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/786686592077426688)
Reed: we'll use Dragon 2 for our CRS-2 missions, with propulsive landing (vs. splashdown). #ISPCS2016 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/ISPCS2016?src=hash)
Цитировать (https://img.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/29262.jpg) Jeff Foust @jeff_foust (https://twitter.com/jeff_foust) 13 ч.13 часов назад (https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/786692298620882945)
Sirangelo discussing other Dream Chaser roles, including satellite servicing; says it could even service Hubble again. #ISPCS2016 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/ISPCS2016?src=hash)
(https://img.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/29262.jpg) Jeff Foust @jeff_foust (https://twitter.com/jeff_foust) 13 ч.13 часов назад (https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/786691354713743360)
Mark Sirangelo, SNC: going into second phase of flight testing of Dream Chaser vehicle later this year. #ISPCS2016 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/ISPCS2016?src=hash)
После спора с Валерием по возможностям Дракона
А SpaceX (ну и Орбитал) выполнили условия?
Цитировать https://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/dec/HQ_C08-069_ISS_Resupply.html
Dec. 23, 2008
NASA Awards Space Station Commercial Resupply Services Contracts
WASHINGTON -- NASA has awarded two contracts -- one to Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va., and one to Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX) of Hawthorne, Calif. -- for commercial cargo resupply services to the International Space Station. At the time of award, NASA has ordered eight flights valued at about $1.9 billion from Orbital and 12 flights valued at about $1.6 billion from SpaceX.
These fixed-price indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity contracts will begin Jan. 1, 2009, and are effective through Dec. 31, 2016. The contracts each call for the delivery of a minimum of 20 metric tons of upmass cargo to the space station.
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The contracts also call for delivery of non-standard services in support of the cargo resupply, including analysis and special tasks as the government determines are necessary.
NASA has set production milestones and reviews on the contracts to monitor progress toward providing services. The maximum potential value of each contract is about $3.1 billion. Based on known requirements, the value of both contracts combined is projected at $3.5 billion.
These agreements will fulfill NASA's need to procure cargo delivery services to the space station using a U.S. commercial carrier after the retirement of the space shuttle.
Или они были изменены?
У меня получилось около 16 тонн до декабря 2016 года.
SpaceX на сайте имеет http://www.spacex.com/dragon 6,000kg
А в том древнем 2008 году контракте указано
Цитироватьhttps://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/pdf/418857main_sec_nnj09ga04b.pdf
All per kilogram pricing assumes cargo mass capacity fully utilized (3310 kg upmass and 3310 kg dowumass).
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Maximum combined pressurized downmass and unpressurized downmass is 3,310 kg, which can be all unpressurized disposal mass or up to 2,500 kg of return (cargo or disposal mass). Pressurized downmass is driven by parachute limitations.
• Maximum combined pressurized and unpressurized upmass is 3,310 kg, which can be all pressurized, all unpressurized or anywhere in between.
Цитироватьpnetmon пишет:
У меня получилось около 16 тонн до декабря 2016 года.
У меня получилось 15911 кг (CRS-1 - CRS-9). Больше 20 т набралось в июне 2017 (CRS-11).
Вот сравнению с Орбиталом Маск - Передовик производства.
У Орбитала до 1.1.2017 около 13.3 тонн (с COST)
Вот интересно как потерянную массу нужно учитывать, понятно что прибавлять нельзя.
С большей вероятностью при подписании в 2008 году они думали что к 31.12.2016 уже несколько лет будут летать свои пилотируемые корабли и на американском сегменте будет три американца, и партнером четвертый. Тогда эти 20 тонн и будут нужны.
Когда на американском стало четыре тогда Дракоши в 2017 зачастили.
https://oig.nasa.gov/docs/IG-18-016.pdf
ЦитироватьAUDIT OF COMMERCIAL RESUPPLY SERVICES TO THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION
April 26, 2018
Много всего интересного.
(https://forum.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/file/82664)
А самое интересное там то, что СпейСекс вздул цены на 50%. И кто бы сомневался? Хотя местные рыночники обещали "катастрофическое" снижение цен за вывод ПН, и вот на тебе, такой конфуз:
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A new analysis finds that NASA will pay significantly more for commercial cargo delivery to the International Space Station in the 2020s rather than enjoying cost savings from maturing systems. According to a report (https://oig.nasa.gov/docs/IG-18-016.pdf) by the space agency's inspector general, Paul Martin, NASA will likely pay $400 million more for its second round of delivery contracts from 2020 to 2024 even though the agency will be moving six fewer tons of cargo. On a cost per kilogram basis, this represents a 14-percent increase.
One of the main reasons for this increase, the report says, is a 50-percent increase in prices from SpaceX, which has thus far flown the bulk of missions for NASA's commercial cargo program with its Dragon spacecraft and Falcon 9 rocket.
This is somewhat surprising because, during the first round of supply missions, which began in 2012, SpaceX had substantially lower costs than NASA's other partner, Orbital ATK. SpaceX and Orbital ATK are expected to fly 31 supply missions between 2012 and 2020, the first phase of the supply contract. Of those, the new report states, SpaceX is scheduled to complete 20 flights at an average cost of $152.1 million per mission. Orbital ATK is scheduled to complete 11 missions at an average cost of $262.6 million per mission.
ЦитироватьNot пишет:
А самое интересное там то, что СпейСекс вздул цены на 50%. И кто бы сомневался? Хотя местные рыночники обещали "катастрофическое" снижение цен за вывод ПН, и вот на тебе, такой конфуз:
.. в обмен на 30% увеличение герметичного объема в Dragon 2, так что все не так ужасно.
Да и в любом случае, дополнительному финансированию SpaceX найдет применение, не рвите вы прямо уж так волосы на жопе от злости.
ЦитироватьSam Grey пишет:
.. в обмен на 30% увеличение герметичного объема в Dragon 2, так что все не так ужасно.
Ну да, конечно, рассказывайте сказки!
ЦитироватьAccording to a report (https://oig.nasa.gov/docs/IG-18-016.pdf) by the space agency's inspector general, Paul Martin, NASA will likely pay $400 million more for its second round of delivery contracts from 2020 to 2024 even though the agency will be moving six fewer tons of cargo.
Иначе говоря, заплатить придется больше, а груза будет доставлено меньше. Такой вот конфуз.
А в чём конфуз? По сравнению с альтернативами СпейсЭкс предлагает недорого. По сравнению с ранним СпейсЭксом выросла надёжность доставки, уменьшился риск - полученный продукт обладает дополнительными качествами.
Да интересного много.
Маск уже при наличии многоразовой первой ступени, многоразовой спускаемой капсулы подымает цену за килограмм.
Зато отечественный производитель не зависящий напрямую от России, чего не скажет ULA и Orbital c SrNv
Там и дата первого полета SpaceX в рамках CRS2 интересна.
В http://spacenews.com/nasa-will-pay-more-for-less-iss-cargo-under-new-commercial-contracts/ скажем есть передергивания с отчетом, например в such that Dragon missions have been averaging only 1,569 kilograms of pressurized cargo в реальности и в отсчете другие цифры.